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27-04-2015, 12:59 AM
RE: Take a shot
(26-04-2015 11:57 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  
(26-04-2015 11:49 PM)Greenest Desert Wrote:  Your not being punished for your sin your being punished for denying him.


Again, you are ignoring the question.

He already knew all of this was going to happen. Before god ever got the idea to make the universe, he knew he would get the idea to make the universe and all of the events leading up to me not believing in him and going to hell.

....and not once in the fininite years before the universe was created or 10 billion years the universe has been around did he ever get the idea that maybe, just maybe his "perfect plan" is completely fucking stupid. Why would we be required to believe in him anyway, its so fucking pointless. The only thing that belief does is gets us into the church where we give those who enforce these rules on our lives our money so they can get rich off of us and "control" our lives.

What we are allowed to eat,
Who we are allowed to love
How we are allowed to love
What we are allowed to wear
How we are allowed to think
What we are allowed to think
Who gets rights
Who doesn't get rights
What those rights are


...sounds an aweful like 1984 doesn't it? A totalitarian authoritarian ancient civilization of power and money hungry savages wanting more in life?

Sounds an aweful lot more like what they would come up with than something infinitely intelligent ever would.

Not really the bible preaches agiant socialism it teaches that being king is the worst job, doing evil to your people is as good as being dead. The bible teaches people in power are servants. If you see anyone I your church sinning Jesus gave a three strike process for excommunication. The more extreme you take the bible the more it makes since that's what's so hard about it.
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27-04-2015, 01:02 AM
RE: Take a shot
Yawn. Sleepy

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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27-04-2015, 01:15 AM
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So... you had a seizure?

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27-04-2015, 02:11 AM
RE: Take a shot
(27-04-2015 12:59 AM)Greenest Desert Wrote:  
(26-04-2015 11:57 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  Again, you are ignoring the question.

He already knew all of this was going to happen. Before god ever got the idea to make the universe, he knew he would get the idea to make the universe and all of the events leading up to me not believing in him and going to hell.

....and not once in the fininite years before the universe was created or 10 billion years the universe has been around did he ever get the idea that maybe, just maybe his "perfect plan" is completely fucking stupid. Why would we be required to believe in him anyway, its so fucking pointless. The only thing that belief does is gets us into the church where we give those who enforce these rules on our lives our money so they can get rich off of us and "control" our lives.

What we are allowed to eat,
Who we are allowed to love
How we are allowed to love
What we are allowed to wear
How we are allowed to think
What we are allowed to think
Who gets rights
Who doesn't get rights
What those rights are


...sounds an aweful like 1984 doesn't it? A totalitarian authoritarian ancient civilization of power and money hungry savages wanting more in life?

Sounds an aweful lot more like what they would come up with than something infinitely intelligent ever would.

Not really the bible preaches agiant socialism it teaches that being king is the worst job, doing evil to your people is as good as being dead. The bible teaches people in power are servants. If you see anyone I your church sinning Jesus gave a three strike process for excommunication. The more extreme you take the bible the more it makes since that's what's so hard about it.

No, Jesus definitely preached socialistic aspects. Rich give to the poor and all that stuff.

And I'm not familiar with any verses that condemn being a king.

Nor any verses about a three strike rule.

The bible is pretty extreme if you read what's there. Genital mutilation for one thing. Genocide via flood is another.

Are you conflating socialism with totalitarianism?
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27-04-2015, 05:01 AM
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If you prayed to god to open your eyes to the truth about reality and all the gullibility that surrounds religion, do you think he would turn you into an atheist ?

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27-04-2015, 05:20 AM
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(26-04-2015 07:33 PM)Greenest Desert Wrote:  
(26-04-2015 07:23 PM)pablo Wrote:  That's pretty vague, can you elaborate?

Imagine a light clicked on and everything you thought is wrong and what is right is now shown, it can not be fully explained. Its like an apple fell from a tree and you just understood gravity.

That's called science. Drinking Beverage

Quote:Again can we please stick to a civil debate and if we use the bible be prepared to back up all context. Remember just because someone hides behind a bible saying they are christian and picks out a few lines to justify death or curl acts does not mean that they are. I believe the catholic church is against God and has been using the bible to justify there wrongs for years. So can we please leave any mainline church out since all the ones I can think of are heretical.

The Bible is a claim, not evidence.

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27-04-2015, 05:21 AM
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(26-04-2015 07:39 PM)Greenest Desert Wrote:  
(26-04-2015 07:33 PM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  The "convincing" is on you my man.

Start with some evidence, please.

Ok can we all agree that there is morality in the world? A general morality that we all agree with more or less?

Yes, and it's a product of evolution.

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27-04-2015, 05:29 AM
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(27-04-2015 05:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(26-04-2015 07:39 PM)Greenest Desert Wrote:  Ok can we all agree that there is morality in the world? A general morality that we all agree with more or less?

Yes, and it's a product of evolution.

And many other species demonstrate evidence for empathetic behaviors. It promotes survival. It has nothing to do with the gods.

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27-04-2015, 07:12 AM
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Wow. 23 pages of a lunatic's scattered rants, and still hasn't answered a question that has been repeated several times, regarding the specifics of the 'struck down' experience.


My thoughts - they were preaching the Saul/Paul conversion at Sunday service, and the OP developed a Paul complex.
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27-04-2015, 07:22 AM
RE: Take a shot
(26-04-2015 11:49 PM)Greenest Desert Wrote:  
(26-04-2015 11:42 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  First of all, you didn't answer the question.
Second of all, eternal torture for a finite crime that isn't even a crime.
Third of all, I never said anything about a life. I said, what was his justification for damning us all to infinite torture and misery when he already knew before he actually knew that all of this was going to happen and it was his creation to make it this way to begin with?

Finally, yes, yes I would.
If I had a mother that abused my, beat me, tried to murder me, I would strike them back. No parent has the right to ABUSE THEIR CHILD. No parent, no one no matter how little love they have for their child in the right mindset would ever send their child to suffer for eternity. Its absurd. Your whole religion is absurd.

You are not clearly thinking straight, take off the god glasses and look at it again.

Your not being punished for your sin your being punished for denying him. He can't save you if you deny him its a very old preset law. Why would anyone care about you if you do what you want and abuse them? He gives us all ampul chances to repent. God is not abuseing his children he is trying to save them from there own sin. He can't save you if you run away from him and he puts his children through hard times to make them better, just like how you have to burn gold at a very high temperature to get it pure.

Yes, God knows all about burning things at a high temperature--after all, he did create HELL.
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