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12-06-2014, 04:40 PM
RE: Teach men not to rape!
(12-06-2014 01:11 PM)Luminon Wrote:  
(12-06-2014 01:21 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  There isn't anything to argue with there. Nothing you have said makes any sense.

Woman are second class citizens in our society even still. Regressive attitudes about woman contribute a great deal to "rape culture" and to the repression of woman in general. I don't really understand your point. If you are trying to argue that woman are not repressed then you have only proved yourself very ignorant on the issues.
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Selection bias much?

Percentage of people who die in childbirth
woman: 100%
Men: 0%

Percentage of Nurses
woman: 92%
men: 8.1%

Percentage of people who die of Ovarian cancer
woman: 100%
men: 0%

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This is by income:
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Quote:The U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (1997) stated that 91% of United States people whose rape accusations resulted in convictions against the accused were female and 9% were male. It also stated that 99% of the people convicted of and imprisoned in response to rape accusations were male, with only 1% of those convicted being female.


https://www.rainn.org/get-information/st...-offenders Wrote:The Perpetrator's not Hiding in the Bushes

More than 50% of all rape/sexual assault incidents were reported by victims to have occurred within 1 mile of their home or at their home.2

4 in 10 take place at the victim's home.
2 in 10 take place at the home of a friend, neighbor, or relative.
1 in 12 take place in a parking garage.
43% of rapes occur between 6:00pm and midnight.2

24% occur between midnight and 6:00am.
The other 33% take place between 6:00am and 6:00pm.
The Criminal
The average age of a rapist is 31 years old.2
52% are white.2
22% of imprisoned rapists report that they are married.2
Juveniles accounted for 16% of forcible rape arrestees in 1995 and 17% of those arrested for other sex offenses.2
In 1 in 3 sexual assaults, the perpetrator was intoxicated — 30% with alcohol, 4% with drugs.3
In 2001, 11% of rapes involved the use of a weapon — 3% used a gun, 6% used a knife, and 2 % used another form of weapon.2
84% of victims reported the use of physical force only.2
Rapists are more likely to be a serial criminal than a serial rapist.

46% of rapists who were released from prison were re-arrested within 3 years of their release for another crime.4

18.6% for a violent offense.
14.8% for a property offense.
11.2% for a drug offense.
20.5% for a public-order offense.

theamericanbar.org Wrote:Approximately 1.3 million women and 835,000 men are physically assaulted by an intimate partner annually in the United States.
Patricia Tjaden & Nancy Thoennes, U.S. Dep't of Just., NCJ 183781, Full Report of the Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence Against Women: Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey, at iv (2000), available at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/pubs-sum/183781.htm
Intimate partner violence made up 20% of all nonfatal violent crime experienced by women in 2001.
Callie Marie Rennison, U.S. Dep't of Just., NCJ 197838, Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief: Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, at 1 (2003), available at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/ipv01.pdf
Intimate partners committed 3% of the nonfatal violence against men.
Callie Marie Rennison, U.S. Dep't of Just., NCJ 197838, Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief: Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, at 1 (2003), available at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/ipv01.pdf
In 2000, 1,247 women and 440 men were killed by an intimate partner. In recent years, an intimate partner killed approximately 33% of female murder victims and 4% of male murder victims.
Callie Marie Rennison, U.S. Dep't of Just., NCJ 197838, Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief: Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, at 1 (2003), available at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/ipv01.pdf

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And the data goes on, and on, and on, and on. Women are underrepresented, underpaid, inappropriately sexualized and trivialized in the work place and the media, far more likely to be victims of violence, and far more likely to be victims of rape. Are there gender disparities that negatively affect men? Absolutely there are, and they are problems, and feminism is about them too. But don't kid yourself. Woman have it much, much worse.

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(12-06-2014 01:21 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  1: woman will not and should not have to use sexual selection towards some sort of pseudo social Darwinist aims of weeding out people in society you don't approve of. Like men who have tattoos, apparently.
I don't mean any social Darwinist aims, but long-term personal and relationship happiness and fulfillment aims, which turn out to be in line with the best interests of the children. Back in times when there was no welfare state, women had to exercise judgement about who are they going to bed with. Now they just get knocked up and receive welfare. There are whole neighbourhoods and populations of single mother "families" like that. Don't give me an argument they do it out of love.

Who the fuck are you to tell people who to marry and who to have children with? If you want to get into data about the poor and the plight of minorities we can do that too. For now, pick one demographic to hate at a time.

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(12-06-2014 01:21 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  2: Procreation takes place between two peoples. Both men and woman can exercise abstinence and use contraception. So if two people have a baby, both parties are equally responsible. And for the record, woman can "bang" whoever they want, with or without your's or anyone else's approval.
I'll accept that argument when men will be able to have abortion, when they'll regularly win legal custody battles over children and when women will pay alimony or divorce support to men.
Yes, women can have sex with anyone they want, but then they must not go to politicians voting to increase taxes, tax my money and have bigger welfare checks. The state is the ultimate single mom's husband.

You have never lived on welfare I take it, nor spent any time around people that have.

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(12-06-2014 01:21 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  3: WTF is this "men will stop raping women when women stop attacking them as children"? I don't even know what it means and I am offended.
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If children are hit by women, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to return the favor somehow to the womankind when they grow up.

You really are something special. Perhaps a men's rights activist forum would be better suited for you.

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(12-06-2014 01:21 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  4. You have some kind of welfare hate mixed in with your misogyny. Its a charming bigotry mashup you got going there.

If you are talking about woman's role in society, in a general and macro sense, culture is the only thing that makes sense to talk about. We are talking about a woman's political, social, familial power. Her power to exercise control over herself and her community. The power other people have over her. That IS culture. The way you change things is you educate people, actively work to change stereotypes, and combat regressive social messages. It is no different than the movements toward racial and sexual equality.
What sort of equality women are lacking? The job market? Women do tend to get lower pay, but firstly, they do extra job of child rearing, which certainly lowers their business performance, and secondly, they tend to start on higher minimal pay than men. They often prefer to be supported by a man if he's earning enough.

(12-06-2014 01:21 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  Treating woman equal to men is really very easy. When a woman says something you don't like, imagine a man saying it. Still don't like it? Fine, she is an asshole. Ok if a man says it? Great, its cool for her too. Apply that simple exercise to nearly every other aspect of life, and that is what gender equality looks like. Really that simple.
Sounds all right to me. My problem starts when women drag politics and laws into the fight. The political fight of men and women has no innocents on both sides, they're both as bloody as Jews and Palestinians.

I won't say all the laws in the US are gender neutral or gender equal, but most of them are. Laws are pretty straightforward to change and unambiguous, which is why most of the legal victories for feminism had all happened by the 70's. The frontier of feminism right now is the culture war, because it is much, much harder to change how people think. Things are getting better, at least in the united states, but there is a long, long way to go. Its far from over.
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12-06-2014, 05:09 PM
RE: Teach men not to rape!
(12-06-2014 01:11 PM)Luminon Wrote:  What sort of equality women are lacking? The job market? Women do tend to get lower pay, but firstly, they do extra job of child rearing, which certainly lowers their business performance, and secondly, they tend to start on higher minimal pay than men. They often prefer to be supported by a man if he's earning enough.

Goddam Luminon. You gone off the reservation and stopped taking your meds again? Hobo

The Male Privilege Checklist

1. My odds of being hired for a job, when competing against female applicants, are probably skewed in my favor. The more prestigious the job, the larger the odds are skewed.

2. I can be confident that my co-workers won’t think I got my job because of my sex – even though that might be true. (More).

3. If I am never promoted, it’s not because of my sex.

4. If I fail in my job or career, I can feel sure this won’t be seen as a black mark against my entire sex’s capabilities.

5. I am far less likely to face sexual harassment at work than my female co-workers are. (More).

6. If I do the same task as a woman, and if the measurement is at all subjective, chances are people will think I did a better job.

7. If I’m a teen or adult, and if I can stay out of prison, my odds of being raped are relatively low. (More).

8. On average, I am taught to fear walking alone after dark in average public spaces much less than my female counterparts are.

9. If I choose not to have children, my masculinity will not be called into question.

10. If I have children but do not provide primary care for them, my masculinity will not be called into question.

11. If I have children and provide primary care for them, I’ll be praised for extraordinary parenting if I’m even marginally competent. (More).

12. If I have children and a career, no one will think I’m selfish for not staying at home.

13. If I seek political office, my relationship with my children, or who I hire to take care of them, will probably not be scrutinized by the press.

14. My elected representatives are mostly people of my own sex. The more prestigious and powerful the elected position, the more this is true.

15. When I ask to see “the person in charge,” odds are I will face a person of my own sex. The higher-up in the organization the person is, the surer I can be.

16. As a child, chances are I was encouraged to be more active and outgoing than my sisters. (More).

17. As a child, I could choose from an almost infinite variety of children’s media featuring positive, active, non-stereotyped heroes of my own sex. I never had to look for it; male protagonists were (and are) the default.

18. As a child, chances are I got more teacher attention than girls who raised their hands just as often. (More).

19. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether or not it has sexist overtones.

20. I can turn on the television or glance at the front page of the newspaper and see people of my own sex widely represented.

21. If I’m careless with my financial affairs it won’t be attributed to my sex.

22. If I’m careless with my driving it won’t be attributed to my sex.

23. I can speak in public to a large group without putting my sex on trial.

24. Even if I sleep with a lot of women, there is no chance that I will be seriously labeled a “slut,” nor is there any male counterpart to “slut-bashing.” (More).

25. I do not have to worry about the message my wardrobe sends about my sexual availability. (More).

26. My clothing is typically less expensive and better-constructed than women’s clothing for the same social status. While I have fewer options, my clothes will probably fit better than a woman’s without tailoring. (More).

27. The grooming regimen expected of me is relatively cheap and consumes little time. (More).

28. If I buy a new car, chances are I’ll be offered a better price than a woman buying the same car. (More).

29. If I’m not conventionally attractive, the disadvantages are relatively small and easy to ignore.

30. I can be loud with no fear of being called a shrew. I can be aggressive with no fear of being called a bitch.

31. I can ask for legal protection from violence that happens mostly to men without being seen as a selfish special interest, since that kind of violence is called “crime” and is a general social concern. (Violence that happens mostly to women is usually called “domestic violence” or “acquaintance rape,” and is seen as a special interest issue.)

32. I can be confident that the ordinary language of day-to-day existence will always include my sex. “All men are created equal,” mailman, chairman, freshman, he.

33. My ability to make important decisions and my capability in general will never be questioned depending on what time of the month it is.

34. I will never be expected to change my name upon marriage or questioned if I don’t change my name.

35. The decision to hire me will not be based on assumptions about whether or not I might choose to have a family sometime soon.

36. Every major religion in the world is led primarily by people of my own sex. Even God, in most major religions, is pictured as male.

37. Most major religions argue that I should be the head of my household, while my wife and children should be subservient to me.

38. If I have a wife or live-in girlfriend, chances are we’ll divide up household chores so that she does most of the labor, and in particular the most repetitive and unrewarding tasks. (More).

39. If I have children with my girlfriend or wife, I can expect her to do most of the basic childcare such as changing diapers and feeding.

40. If I have children with my wife or girlfriend, and it turns out that one of us needs to make career sacrifices to raise the kids, chances are we’ll both assume the career sacrificed should be hers.

41. Assuming I am heterosexual, magazines, billboards, television, movies, pornography, and virtually all of media is filled with images of scantily-clad women intended to appeal to me sexually. Such images of men exist, but are rarer.

42. In general, I am under much less pressure to be thin than my female counterparts are. (More). If I am fat, I probably suffer fewer social and economic consequences for being fat than fat women do. (More).

43. If I am heterosexual, it’s incredibly unlikely that I’ll ever be beaten up by a spouse or lover. (More).

44. Complete strangers generally do not walk up to me on the street and tell me to “smile.” (More: 1 2).

45. Sexual harassment on the street virtually never happens to me. I do not need to plot my movements through public space in order to avoid being sexually harassed, or to mitigate sexual harassment. (More.)

45. On average, I am not interrupted by women as often as women are interrupted by men. (More.)

46. I have the privilege of being unaware of my male privilege.

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12-06-2014, 05:15 PM
RE: Teach men not to rape!
(11-06-2014 08:04 AM)Kavos Wrote:  
(11-06-2014 08:02 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  You're like a broken record Kavos repeating the same points without any reference to what other people have previously said in response.

On the contrary. It's you who keeps repeating what has already been established, which is that it is rapists who are at fault. We already know this, there's no need to keep telling us. All I'm saying is that if women are deliberately careless, then they're eventually going to get what's coming. Safety first, it's not rocket science.

So, when a shopkeeper gets robbed they 'got what's coming to them' because they were silly and careless enough to own and operate the shop?
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13-06-2014, 01:22 AM
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Girly, tell me, what is the cause of all this? What is the meaning of all these facts? I learned that facts are never enough, we need meaning and principles. I could probably find almost as many facts for discrimination of men, supplied by men's rights movement. Political patches do not alter the reality, neither does technology, they just create new kinds of inequality.

The only way I know is to stop attacking children of either gender, boys are hit more. Boys do worse at schools, because they are treated as defective girls. Up to 20 % boys in USA are medicated against ADHD or something, most, if not all of these diagnoses are utter bullshit. Schools suck and having some desire for freedom is destroyed by chemical drugging that destroys 10 % of brain mass.
Like it or not, government privileges and activism do not change the fundamental reality of growing up, where women have pretty much an absolute power and they use it too. Women literally shape the brains of children through mirroring (or not) their emotions. There are simultaneous patterns of brain activity when interacting with a baby, the baby's brain vitally needs social stimulation when growing. If not, it grows damaged. I suspect women destroyed mankind by shitty parenting and choosing shitty fathers. And they made it worse by government involvement, because government makes everything worse, because it has the most power and the least responsibility by far.
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13-06-2014, 02:05 AM
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(13-06-2014 01:22 AM)Luminon Wrote:  Girly, tell me, what is the cause of all this? What is the meaning of all these facts? I learned that facts are never enough, we need meaning and principles. I could probably find almost as many facts for discrimination of men, supplied by men's rights movement. Political patches do not alter the reality, neither does technology, they just create new kinds of inequality.

The only way I know is to stop attacking children of either gender, boys are hit more. Boys do worse at schools, because they are treated as defective girls. Up to 20 % boys in USA are medicated against ADHD or something, most, if not all of these diagnoses are utter bullshit. Schools suck and having some desire for freedom is destroyed by chemical drugging that destroys 10 % of brain mass.
Like it or not, government privileges and activism do not change the fundamental reality of growing up, where women have pretty much an absolute power and they use it too. Women literally shape the brains of children through mirroring (or not) their emotions. There are simultaneous patterns of brain activity when interacting with a baby, the baby's brain vitally needs social stimulation when growing. If not, it grows damaged. I suspect women destroyed mankind by shitty parenting and choosing shitty fathers. And they made it worse by government involvement, because government makes everything worse, because it has the most power and the least responsibility by far.

You are blaming abusive mothers for rape and domestic violence. Mixed in with some woo woo shit about kids with ADHD.

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I can't bring myself to argue with you anymore. I don't even know how to begin to fight that level of delusion.
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13-06-2014, 03:04 AM
RE: Teach men not to rape!
(13-06-2014 02:05 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  You are blaming abusive mothers for rape and domestic violence. Mixed in with some woo woo shit about kids with ADHD.

FrustyFacepalm

I can't bring myself to argue with you anymore. I don't even know how to begin to fight that level of delusion.
Blame doesn't solve anything. Causality does. Someone had to raise these rapists. And something tells me that happy family with good male and female role model and lots of respect between parents might not be the way they were raised.

If we say that how the mothers raised the men who commit rape had no influence on them whatsoever, then that is the most insulting thing to say against mothers and women in general, that would be considering women totally irresponsible and totally disposable. Is that what you do?

And I use your frustration as a good sign that I'm probably right. Truth is always out of someone's comfort zone.
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13-06-2014, 03:06 AM
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(13-06-2014 03:04 AM)Luminon Wrote:  
(13-06-2014 02:05 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  You are blaming abusive mothers for rape and domestic violence. Mixed in with some woo woo shit about kids with ADHD.

FrustyFacepalm

I can't bring myself to argue with you anymore. I don't even know how to begin to fight that level of delusion.
Blame doesn't solve anything. Causality does. Someone had to raise these rapists. And something tells me that happy family with good male and female role model and lots of respect between parents might not be the way they were raised.

If we say that how the mothers raised the men who commit rape had no influence on them whatsoever, then that is the most insulting thing to say against mothers and women in general, that would be considering women totally irresponsible and totally disposable.

And I use your frustration as a good sign that I'm probably right. Truth is always out of someone's comfort zone.

No you fucking lunatic, our frustration with you is your condescending attitude on top of a fully incoherent argument. You are not some ahead of your time thinker you are a dupe that has been taken in by a known conman and his disbarred pop psychologist wife.

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13-06-2014, 03:21 AM
RE: Teach men not to rape!
(13-06-2014 03:04 AM)Luminon Wrote:  
(13-06-2014 02:05 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  You are blaming abusive mothers for rape and domestic violence. Mixed in with some woo woo shit about kids with ADHD.

FrustyFacepalm

I can't bring myself to argue with you anymore. I don't even know how to begin to fight that level of delusion.
Blame doesn't solve anything. Causality does. Someone had to raise these rapists. And something tells me that happy family with good male and female role model and lots of respect between parents might not be the way they were raised.

If we say that how the mothers raised the men who commit rape had no influence on them whatsoever, then that is the most insulting thing to say against mothers and women in general, that would be considering women totally irresponsible and totally disposable. Is that what you do?

And I use your frustration as a good sign that I'm probably right. Truth is always out of someone's comfort zone.

No the issue of your post was that it's pigeonholing the problem based on a lot of assertions, presumptions, and political outlooks you have.. not actually taking a step to analysis questions but rather assert things based on what you think you know.

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13-06-2014, 04:29 AM
RE: Teach men not to rape!
(13-06-2014 03:04 AM)Luminon Wrote:  
(13-06-2014 02:05 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  You are blaming abusive mothers for rape and domestic violence. Mixed in with some woo woo shit about kids with ADHD.

FrustyFacepalm

I can't bring myself to argue with you anymore. I don't even know how to begin to fight that level of delusion.
Blame doesn't solve anything. Causality does. Someone had to raise these rapists. And something tells me that happy family with good male and female role model and lots of respect between parents might not be the way they were raised.

If we say that how the mothers raised the men who commit rape had no influence on them whatsoever, then that is the most insulting thing to say against mothers and women in general, that would be considering women totally irresponsible and totally disposable. Is that what you do?

And I use your frustration as a good sign that I'm probably right. Truth is always out of someone's comfort zone.

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13-06-2014, 04:31 AM
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(13-06-2014 04:29 AM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  
(13-06-2014 03:04 AM)Luminon Wrote:  Blame doesn't solve anything. Causality does. Someone had to raise these rapists. And something tells me that happy family with good male and female role model and lots of respect between parents might not be the way they were raised.

If we say that how the mothers raised the men who commit rape had no influence on them whatsoever, then that is the most insulting thing to say against mothers and women in general, that would be considering women totally irresponsible and totally disposable. Is that what you do?

And I use your frustration as a good sign that I'm probably right. Truth is always out of someone's comfort zone.

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