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11-06-2014, 12:58 AM
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(11-06-2014 12:24 AM)Dee Wrote:  
(10-06-2014 01:03 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  Lets play a numbers game then.

Statistically speaking, somewhere between 1 in 4 and 1 in 6 woman will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/health....html?_r=0



It is estimated that more than half of all rapes are never reported to the police, and the US Bureau basis its statistics on reported rapes. Many more women who are raped by someone they know don't report it because of shame and social stigma. The numbers are probably much more skewed towards friends and acquaintances and former or current intimate partners than even this data shows. The lesson to be learned here; most women are raped by someone they know and often a person they trust.

What percentage of men commit rape? Its hard to say. I have read numbers as high as 1 in 8. The famous 1987 study that found 1/4 college woman will be raped in their lifetime also found that 4.5% of college men self reported that they had forced a woman to have sex with them at least once. One thing is very clear, if 1/5 woman are being raped in their lifetime, it is not possible for only a small percentage of men to be responsible for all these rapes.

Self defense here is NOT a solution to this problem. These women know their attackers, the issue isn't that they are unable to roundhouse kick them to the balls, the issue is that they trust their attacker. They are socially, emotionally, and psychologically dominated while the attack is taking place. Very often it has nothing to do with strength. Woman should be educated when it comes to rape, but not in self defense but in ways to spot rape before it happens and techniques for how protect themselves and how to get out of it.

I understand as a man reading this you feel like you are being blamed for the problem. If you personally never raped anyone, then guess what you're not a rapist. Nobody is calling you a rapist. The data shows though, MEN ARE THE PROBLEM. To pretend otherwise is to wantonly ignore the facts. If you are curious who rapists are then think about the all the men you know right now. Chances are at least a few of them are rapists. Statistically speaking, there might be a dozen rapist on this forum. Rapist are men you know, rape victims are women we know, lets stop pretending the problem is shady folks in back alleys and battered woman on the lifetime channel. Its real people, everywhere, all the time.

Michael_T, this is excellent information, and the stats are on target.

This is what I know of the women I am acquainted with:

I have three sisters; two have been raped--1 in the military.

1/3 of my current female friends have been raped.

Both my daughters have been raped.

Only one of these rapes was reported and went to trial: perp. was convicted of 6 counts aggravated sexual assault: received $5,000 fine and 10 years probation--tragic.

That's terrible Sad.

(11-06-2014 12:50 AM)Dee Wrote:  
(10-06-2014 05:45 PM)Kavos Wrote:  Well actually it's the feminists who pretend to be concerned for women's wellbeing. They don't want women to be taught to be careful or to learn to protect themselves. If women were to follow the advice of feminists (i.e. hey, do whatever, who cares, it's not your fault if you get raped), there would be more rapes. By contrast, following common sense advice like watch where you go at night and maybe learn a bit of self defence, the result is less rapes. Read that again : Feminists advice = more rapes. Common sense advice = less rapes.
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It's quite astonishing that this forum is full of people who consciously and knowingly turn a blind eye to the utter irresponsibility of feminists. Feminists do not represent women at all. They have their own agenda and they are motivated by money. If anyone here still believes that feminism has anything to do with women's right, they need their head examined.

I am feminist. I am an advocate for women: equality, freedom, women's right to chose, domestic violence, rape support, support of women's sexuality--free of name calling . . ..

And, how many feminists (men and women) are getting paid for bearing the name feminist? I don't get paid for it and neither do any, men and women, of the feminists I know get paid for claiming themselves feminist. WTF! I would say a few get paid for producing literature, theory but only a few compared to the rest of us. And what is wrong with that?

You can say radical feminists, but I don't really know what that means.

"Watch where you go at night." Now there is an interesting statement. This notion has been used to control women for thousands of years, kept them bound and culpable.
Does this mean a prostitute cannot be raped?

Yeah I agree, I don't know what radical feminists mean. I have heard people use the term, but only to undermine feminism in general or straw man the shit out of it; never to refer to any kind of specific argument. Off the top of my head, I cannot remember ever having heard a feminist say something they I thought was completely wacko. Won't say it hasn't happened, but even the most die hard feminist make good points. Might not agree with them (I'm cool with porn for instance) but if you examine their argument it almost always makes a lot of sense.
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11-06-2014, 02:31 AM (This post was last modified: 11-06-2014 02:38 AM by Tartarus Sauce.)
RE: Teach men not to rape!
(10-06-2014 05:45 PM)Kavos Wrote:  
(10-06-2014 05:38 PM)Elder Cunningham Wrote:  It's a bullshit argument, not because people shouldn't take responsibility for their own safety but because there is no single other crime in which so much onus is put on the victim, but only of course when they're a woman. It's victim blaming wrapped up in a smothering cloth of concern.

It's quite astonishing that this forum is full of people who consciously and knowingly turn a blind eye to the utter irresponsibility of feminists. Feminists do not represent women at all. They have their own agenda and they are motivated by money. If anyone here still believes that feminism has anything to do with women's right, they need their head examined.

Now if you don't mind, I have better things to do that argue with idiots who don't give a fuck about women.

Okay, I'm just going to state what everybody is thinking:

1. Why have you never posted about anything other than gender politics?
2. Why did you resurrect a year old thread that nobody gave much of a fuck about in the first place?
3. What the actual fuck are you talking about? Turning a blind eye to the irresponsibility of feminism? How many people is this supposed to represent on this forum? Because you seem to think its the majority. Broad brushstrokes are not appreciated here.
4. Your over-focus on teaching women to be more responsible is not a problem on its own so much as it is your acceptance of the assumption that there is simply no way to reduce the impetus on the men's side. Not all men that rape are incapable of being prevented from doing so because the number of men committing rapes is staggeringly high for them to all be callous psychopaths incapable of rehabilitation or preventative intervention. Does that mean "teach men not to rape" programs are the solution? No, but it also doesn't mean you shift the entire burden for rape prevention on women either, the majority pool of victims.
5. You have consistently ignored the fact that teaching women to avoid walking alone at night down strange alleys and learning self-defense to fend off attackers will not actually put a major dent in rape cases as a whole since only 1/4 of rapes are committed by strangers to the victim. The remaining 75% are committed by former intimate partners, friends/acquaintances, and relatives, people the victims trust and whom the victim is unlikely to be fending against through violence due to psychological restraints. Will taking safety-precautions to avoid being raped by random strangers be helpful to women? Yes, but will it come anywhere close to mitigating the effects of the 75% crux of the problem? Fuck no.

I'm no more a fan of extremist "feminists" than you are, but you have presented yourself as little more than a flat-out sexist cunt ever since you first arrived.

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11-06-2014, 07:39 AM
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I'm gonna go out on a limb by saying that would-be rapists prefer their potential victims not to be trained in self-defense.
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11-06-2014, 07:58 AM
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Someone mentioned my comment about telling women to be careful where they go at night. What's wrong with that?

If you drop a heavy object on your foot, you're going to get what's coming, and if you know it, then you're a fool, and it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that you deserved it, for being so fucking stupid.

Likewise, if you don't give a shit about your safety, then you're practically asking for trouble with your actions, or lack of actions.

Any woman who gets raped because she was knowingly and wilfully stupid enough to take no precautions for her own safety deserves only the absolute minimum sympathy.

If women spend more time listening to men who care about their safety, and less time listening to feminazis who don't even want to be women, they would be better off, and get raped less.
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11-06-2014, 08:02 AM
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You're like a broken record Kavos repeating the same points without any reference to what other people have previously said in response.
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11-06-2014, 08:04 AM
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(11-06-2014 08:02 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  You're like a broken record Kavos repeating the same points without any reference to what other people have previously said in response.

On the contrary. It's you who keeps repeating what has already been established, which is that it is rapists who are at fault. We already know this, there's no need to keep telling us. All I'm saying is that if women are deliberately careless, then they're eventually going to get what's coming. Safety first, it's not rocket science.
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11-06-2014, 08:31 AM
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While I still stand by what I said before that we should be working towards a world where we teach and encourage non-violence to everyone (men and women) I think it is irresponsible to not be prepared to protect yourself and not take precautions. Sadly a girl probably shouldnt be walking down a dark alley alone in the middle of the night. (for example)

Is it right? No, of course not, no one should ever have to fear for their safety. However it is a reality of life that we need to attempt to be safe when possible.
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11-06-2014, 11:31 AM
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(11-06-2014 07:58 AM)Kavos Wrote:  Someone mentioned my comment about telling women to be careful where they go at night. What's wrong with that?

If you drop a heavy object on your foot, you're going to get what's coming, and if you know it, then you're a fool, and it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that you deserved it, for being so fucking stupid.

Likewise, if you don't give a shit about your safety, then you're practically asking for trouble with your actions, or lack of actions.

Any woman who gets raped because she was knowingly and wilfully stupid enough to take no precautions for her own safety deserves only the absolute minimum sympathy.

If women spend more time listening to men who care about their safety, and less time listening to feminazis who don't even want to be women, they would be better off, and get raped less.

Wait, did you just say that some women deserve to be raped?

You on crack?

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11-06-2014, 12:25 PM
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Look I think feminist are batshit fucking insane, but no one deserves to get raped, male, female, or other.

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11-06-2014, 03:29 PM
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(11-06-2014 11:31 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(11-06-2014 07:58 AM)Kavos Wrote:  Someone mentioned my comment about telling women to be careful where they go at night. What's wrong with that?

If you drop a heavy object on your foot, you're going to get what's coming, and if you know it, then you're a fool, and it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that you deserved it, for being so fucking stupid.

Likewise, if you don't give a shit about your safety, then you're practically asking for trouble with your actions, or lack of actions.

Any woman who gets raped because she was knowingly and wilfully stupid enough to take no precautions for her own safety deserves only the absolute minimum sympathy.

If women spend more time listening to men who care about their safety, and less time listening to feminazis who don't even want to be women, they would be better off, and get raped less.

Wait, did you just say that some women deserve to be raped?

You on crack?

No I said that if you don't take a bit of time and effort to take care of your own safety, then you're an idiot who is tempting fate.
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