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23-03-2016, 08:56 PM
RE: Ted Cruz 101
(23-03-2016 08:38 PM)epronovost Wrote:  
(23-03-2016 08:28 PM)Alla Wrote:  Cruz as scary as Obama. Obama is uncompromising.
Obama will never compromise on principles he believes are true. Cruz will never compromise on principles he believes are true. Cruz will compromise on other things.
If I knew that Cruz would compromise on principles that I believe I would never supported him.
Oh, Cruz doesn't scare me. Hillary and Berny do(two socialists)

Obama compromised on gun control and on his biggest legacy obamacare. He was, in fact, criticised by his own party and base to be to compromising with the Republicans.

here see for yourself: http://newsone.com/1509175/democrats-wan...-with-gop/
OK, but he will never compromise on principles. He never did. If he could he would get rid of 2nd Amendment.
Cruz will always defend the Constitution. But he will compromise on other things.

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23-03-2016, 10:33 PM
RE: Ted Cruz 101
(23-03-2016 08:33 PM)Alla Wrote:  Do you care about those people who died in Brussels? I do.

I do too but there is no way that Ted Cruz can rectify that. Ted Cruz will do nothing except strip Americans of more constitutional rights and then tell us to pray for safety.
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24-03-2016, 04:21 AM
RE: Ted Cruz 101
(23-03-2016 08:33 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(23-03-2016 06:23 PM)julep Wrote:  Unfortunately, Cruz is a true believer.
In Constitution. And it is fortunately.
(23-03-2016 06:23 PM)julep Wrote:  fanatic
fanatic?! baseless statement.
(23-03-2016 06:23 PM)julep Wrote:  He doesn't care about who dies as a result of his decisions because he's an end-of-timeser.
Do you care about those people who died in Brussels? I do.

Yes, he is a fanatic, just from the Christian side and not from the Muslim side. So are you.
As for whether I care about "those people who died in Brussels", fuck off. Repping you back down.
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24-03-2016, 06:23 AM
RE: Ted Cruz 101
(23-03-2016 08:23 PM)Alla Wrote:  How do liberals (and you) propose to fight with Muslim terrorists who infiltrate Mosques and our neighborhoods? how do you fight those who yesterday, today and tomorrow will kill innocent people?
How do liberals propose to fight those who hate us and want our blood?

You're letting your decisions be run by fear. Yes, the thought of a terrorist killing a bunch of innocent people is scary, but it's also statistically insignificant. Resorting to profiling, banning, or detention to "solve"* a relatively minor problem seems both disproportionate and flat-out ineffective. There are way bigger threats to public health and safety out there than Islamic terrorism, and people are unwilling to take small measures to reduce them, let alone these types of drastic measures.

The number of people in the US who die annually from tobacco use is something like four (or five?) orders of magnitude higher than the number of US citizens killed by terrorists each year. Think about how many American lives we'd save if we flat-out banned the sale and use of tobacco. Now, would you consider that to be dangerous government overreach if we did that? Would the lives saved not justify the action on behalf of the government? Now, think about all of the non-violent Muslims who actually like this country. Is it worth violating their freedoms to potentially save a much fewer number of American lives?

Also, just to preempt you from saying the problem with my tobacco analogy is one of choice: the CDC also cites 42,000 second hand smoke deaths annually. So, we're still looking at over a hundred people dying from smoke they didn't want to smoke for every one killed by a terrorist.


*I have no reason to believe that these steps would actually reduce Islamic terrorism in the US, and I could see it leading to an increase.


(23-03-2016 08:23 PM)Alla Wrote:  How is it fascism to look for enemies where they hide - Mosques and our neighborhoods?

Would you consider it fascism if the government were to start similarly probing churches to look for right-wing extremists? More people die in the US annually from white, right-wing extremists (who are curiously not called terrorists in the media) than are killed by Muslim terrorists.

Stop letting fear govern your political beliefs.


(23-03-2016 08:28 PM)Alla Wrote:  Cruz as scary as Obama. Obama is uncompromising.

You understand the ACA is a monument to compromise, right? That's part of why a lot of liberals hate it; it was watered down so much to try and get people from across the lines to vote for it.
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24-03-2016, 05:47 PM
RE: Ted Cruz 101
(23-03-2016 10:33 PM)Black Eagle Wrote:  
(23-03-2016 08:33 PM)Alla Wrote:  Do you care about those people who died in Brussels? I do.

I do too but there is no way that Ted Cruz can rectify that. Ted Cruz will do nothing except strip Americans of more constitutional rights and then tell us to pray for safety.
please, list(name) all those rights that are written in the Constitution and which Cruz in your opinion will take away from us.

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24-03-2016, 06:36 PM
RE: Ted Cruz 101
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(23-03-2016 08:23 PM)Alla Wrote:  How do liberals (and you) propose to fight with Muslim terrorists who infiltrate Mosques and our neighborhoods? how do you fight those who yesterday, today and tomorrow will kill innocent people?
How do liberals propose to fight those who hate us and want our blood?

You're letting your decisions be run by fear. Yes, the thought of a terrorist killing a bunch of innocent people is scary, but it's also statistically insignificant. Resorting to profiling, banning, or detention to "solve"* a relatively minor problem seems both disproportionate and flat-out ineffective. There are way bigger threats to public health and safety out there than Islamic terrorism, and people are unwilling to take small measures to reduce them, let alone these types of drastic measures.

The number of people in the US who die annually from tobacco use is something like four (or five?) orders of magnitude higher than the number of US citizens killed by terrorists each year. Think about how many American lives we'd save if we flat-out banned the sale and use of tobacco. Now, would you consider that to be dangerous government overreach if we did that? Would the lives saved not justify the action on behalf of the government? Now, think about all of the non-violent Muslims who actually like this country. Is it worth violating their freedoms to potentially save a much fewer number of American lives?

Also, just to preempt you from saying the problem with my tobacco analogy is one of choice: the CDC also cites 42,000 second hand smoke deaths annually. So, we're still looking at over a hundred people dying from smoke they didn't want to smoke for every one killed by a terrorist.


*I have no reason to believe that these steps would actually reduce Islamic terrorism in the US, and I could see it leading to an increase.


(23-03-2016 08:23 PM)Alla Wrote:  How is it fascism to look for enemies where they hide - Mosques and our neighborhoods?

Would you consider it fascism if the government were to start similarly probing churches to look for right-wing extremists? More people die in the US annually from white, right-wing extremists (who are curiously not called terrorists in the media) than are killed by Muslim terrorists.

Stop letting fear govern your political beliefs.


(23-03-2016 08:28 PM)Alla Wrote:  Cruz as scary as Obama. Obama is uncompromising.

You understand the ACA is a monument to compromise, right? That's part of why a lot of liberals hate it; it was watered down so much to try and get people from across the lines to vote for it.

I just want to jump in here and point out that nobody from "across the lines" voted for the ACA. It passed with ZERO Republican support. They could have passed single payer, or anything they wanted. Instead they passed Grubercare, and made insurance companies even more rich. Saw a report today that health insurance costs are up 28% but wages are only up like 6% over the same period. The ACA is a failure.

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24-03-2016, 06:40 PM
RE: Ted Cruz 101
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  You're letting your decisions be run by fear. Yes, the thought of a terrorist killing a bunch of innocent people is scary, but it's also statistically insignificant.
For now. If you don't stop cancer it will spread and it will destroy you. Paris and Brussels didn't have terrorists attacks. Now they have. If they don't profile(COMMON SENSE) they will have more attacks. Their lives are already changed. It will never be the same. This is what happens when the left(liberal activists) care about their Politically correct BS.
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Resorting to profiling, banning, or detention to "solve"* a relatively minor problem seems both disproportionate and flat-out ineffective.
ISLAMIC terrorism is NOT minor problem on planet earth. May be on your planet it is a minor problem. "Profiling" is perfect solution. It is perfect because it is common sense and it works.
No more PC BS.
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  There are way bigger threats to public health and safety out there than Islamic terrorism, and people are unwilling to take small measures to reduce them, let alone these types of drastic measures.
Yes, we should take small measures to solve those problem. But when left activists tell that "profiling" is a bad solution they reject common sense.
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  The number of people in the US who die annually from tobacco use is something like four (or five?) orders of magnitude higher than the number of US citizens killed by terrorists each year.
It doesn't mean that Islamic terrorism is not worse then it was when Obama said that they were JV. It IS WORSE now. Oh, how wrong he was. How wrong.
But we knew that he was wrong.
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Think about how many American lives we'd save if we flat-out banned the sale and use of tobacco. Now, would you consider that to be dangerous government overreach if we did that? Would the lives saved not justify the action on behalf of the government?
People have to vote and decide what they want to do with tobacco. It calls "democracy". Am I correct?
With tobacco I have a CHOICE. I can choose to harm myself, I can choose to save myself. With ISLAMIC terrorism I have no choice. They will come and kill me without asking my opinion.
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Now, think about all of the non-violent Muslims who actually like this country. Is it worth violating their freedoms to potentially save a much fewer number of American lives?
I didn't talk about the non-violent Muslims. Nobody even talks about them accept activists on the left who try AS USUAL to shame, to label and to shut down free speech.
Profiling is not "violating freedoms".
If somebody told me that there were terrorists among LDS I would be the first one to ask to profile LDS so the evil guys(wolves in sheep skin) would be found and arrested.
Profiling and human intelligence is common sense. And it works FYI.
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  *I have no reason to believe that these steps would actually reduce Islamic terrorism in the US, and I could see it leading to an increase.
At least it will control it somehow. At least we will be able to educate young Muslims before they are radicalized. But how can we do this if the left can not call the enemy by its name? Pc is more important.
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Would you consider it fascism if the government were to start similarly probing churches to look for right-wing extremists? More people die in the US annually from white, right-wing extremists (who are curiously not called terrorists in the media) than are killed by Muslim terrorists.
No, I wouldn't. I would call it "common sense".
By the way, are you talking about extremists like Bill Ayer who now works in liberal university? Are you talking about cop killers, Jeremy Right, Black panther? this kind of extremists? or are you talking about those extremists who burn businesses, rob stores, attack cops with rocks, stop freeways and may cause that someone to dies in traffic? shut down speakers? this kind of extremists are you talking about? are you talking about that woman cop killer who hides in Cuba and Obama even didn't bother to demand to bring her back so she can be where she belongs?
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  You understand the ACA is a monument to compromise, right? That's part of why a lot of liberals hate it; it was watered down so much to try and get people from across the lines to vote for it.
ACA has nothing to do with our constitutional rights and principles. I was talking about principles, not some stupid Obamacare.
BTW I have to pay penalty this year. Thanks progressives. Blood suckers. Never enough. Progressives(both on the left and on the right) rob tax payers and then waste, waste, waste. Evil.

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24-03-2016, 06:45 PM
RE: Ted Cruz 101
(24-03-2016 04:21 AM)julep Wrote:  Yes, he is a fanatic, just from the Christian side and not from the Muslim side. So are you.
baseless argument
(24-03-2016 04:21 AM)julep Wrote:  As for whether I care about "those people who died in Brussels", fuck off. Repping you back down.
Consider stupid comment

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25-03-2016, 08:33 AM
RE: Ted Cruz 101
(24-03-2016 06:40 PM)Alla Wrote:  For now. If you don't stop cancer it will spread and it will destroy you. Paris and Brussels didn't have terrorists attacks. Now they have. If they don't profile(COMMON SENSE) they will have more attacks. Their lives are already changed. It will never be the same. This is what happens when the left(liberal activists) care about their Politically correct BS.

You'd have to prove that Islamic extremism both
  • spreads like cancer, and
  • dealing with it in the way you suggest won't make it spread faster.

(24-03-2016 06:40 PM)Alla Wrote:  ISLAMIC terrorism is NOT minor problem on planet earth. May be on your planet it is a minor problem. "Profiling" is perfect solution. It is perfect because it is common sense and it works.

How many people die in the US annually from Muslim terrorists?


(24-03-2016 06:40 PM)Alla Wrote:  People have to vote and decide what they want to do with tobacco. It calls "democracy". Am I correct?
With tobacco I have a CHOICE. I can choose to harm myself, I can choose to save myself. With ISLAMIC terrorism I have no choice. They will come and kill me without asking my opinion.

I can't help but notice you left out the part of my post where I predicted you'd say this and specifically addressed it:

(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Also, just to preempt you from saying the problem with my tobacco analogy is one of choice: the CDC also cites 42,000 second hand smoke deaths annually. So, we're still looking at over a hundred people dying from smoke they didn't want to smoke for every one killed by a terrorist.
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25-03-2016, 12:49 PM
RE: Ted Cruz 101
(24-03-2016 06:40 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  You're letting your decisions be run by fear. Yes, the thought of a terrorist killing a bunch of innocent people is scary, but it's also statistically insignificant.
For now. If you don't stop cancer it will spread and it will destroy you. Paris and Brussels didn't have terrorists attacks. Now they have. If they don't profile(COMMON SENSE) they will have more attacks. Their lives are already changed. It will never be the same. This is what happens when the left(liberal activists) care about their Politically correct BS.
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Resorting to profiling, banning, or detention to "solve"* a relatively minor problem seems both disproportionate and flat-out ineffective.
ISLAMIC terrorism is NOT minor problem on planet earth. May be on your planet it is a minor problem. "Profiling" is perfect solution. It is perfect because it is common sense and it works.
No more PC BS.
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  There are way bigger threats to public health and safety out there than Islamic terrorism, and people are unwilling to take small measures to reduce them, let alone these types of drastic measures.
Yes, we should take small measures to solve those problem. But when left activists tell that "profiling" is a bad solution they reject common sense.
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  The number of people in the US who die annually from tobacco use is something like four (or five?) orders of magnitude higher than the number of US citizens killed by terrorists each year.
It doesn't mean that Islamic terrorism is not worse then it was when Obama said that they were JV. It IS WORSE now. Oh, how wrong he was. How wrong.
But we knew that he was wrong.
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Think about how many American lives we'd save if we flat-out banned the sale and use of tobacco. Now, would you consider that to be dangerous government overreach if we did that? Would the lives saved not justify the action on behalf of the government?
People have to vote and decide what they want to do with tobacco. It calls "democracy". Am I correct?
With tobacco I have a CHOICE. I can choose to harm myself, I can choose to save myself. With ISLAMIC terrorism I have no choice. They will come and kill me without asking my opinion.
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Now, think about all of the non-violent Muslims who actually like this country. Is it worth violating their freedoms to potentially save a much fewer number of American lives?
I didn't talk about the non-violent Muslims. Nobody even talks about them accept activists on the left who try AS USUAL to shame, to label and to shut down free speech.
Profiling is not "violating freedoms".
If somebody told me that there were terrorists among LDS I would be the first one to ask to profile LDS so the evil guys(wolves in sheep skin) would be found and arrested.
Profiling and human intelligence is common sense. And it works FYI.
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  *I have no reason to believe that these steps would actually reduce Islamic terrorism in the US, and I could see it leading to an increase.
At least it will control it somehow. At least we will be able to educate young Muslims before they are radicalized. But how can we do this if the left can not call the enemy by its name? Pc is more important.
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Would you consider it fascism if the government were to start similarly probing churches to look for right-wing extremists? More people die in the US annually from white, right-wing extremists (who are curiously not called terrorists in the media) than are killed by Muslim terrorists.
No, I wouldn't. I would call it "common sense".
By the way, are you talking about extremists like Bill Ayer who now works in liberal university? Are you talking about cop killers, Jeremy Right, Black panther? this kind of extremists? or are you talking about those extremists who burn businesses, rob stores, attack cops with rocks, stop freeways and may cause that someone to dies in traffic? shut down speakers? this kind of extremists are you talking about? are you talking about that woman cop killer who hides in Cuba and Obama even didn't bother to demand to bring her back so she can be where she belongs?
(24-03-2016 06:23 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  You understand the ACA is a monument to compromise, right? That's part of why a lot of liberals hate it; it was watered down so much to try and get people from across the lines to vote for it.
ACA has nothing to do with our constitutional rights and principles. I was talking about principles, not some stupid Obamacare.
BTW I have to pay penalty this year. Thanks progressives. Blood suckers. Never enough. Progressives(both on the left and on the right) rob tax payers and then waste, waste, waste. Evil.

You know generally after say 2-3 years go by, and they develop and gain more strength. Junior varsity players generally become varsity players... it's something you constantly repeat like it was such a false dig.

They got bigger... that yes, like jv players do who become varsity players. okay so?

It's just like Hitler being time man of the year or those who could of said, yeah Hitler wasn't all that bad in 1934. to say, oh so false you were wrong haha. Is silly because the statement doesn't reflect what happened 5 years later. It at the time based on the time was true, then things changed. That's reality for many.

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