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05-09-2013, 09:54 AM
Ten Commandments Revisited
I was bored last night and starting thinking about the following lines:
You shall have no other gods before me.

Question for the scholars (not the fundies) on this first rule:
1. Does this phrasing acknowledge that there are other gods?
2. Does this phrasing allow you to recognize other gods, but only as secondary gods?

You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Jesus statues, angel statues, and my pewter fish paperweight are all breaking this commandment. Why do churches allow images of Jebus, angels, and other heavenly figures to adorn their walls?

If Jesus died for our sins, why is there still sin? If man was created from dust, why is there still dust? If Americans came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?
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05-09-2013, 10:06 AM
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I am not a scholar but, I do know this was one of the big sticking points that caused the Protestant Reformation (e.g. Luther's disagreement with graven images). Also, I was under the impression that 1. was well known to be the case if you follow the Documentary Hypothesis, because they were worshiping Baal and other gods (fertility gods that were not the God of War Yahweh). Again I'm no expert, but youtube guy Evidence does a good job of covering this from a lay perspective in his video series, "why I'm not a christian."

Oh, and I can never mention Martin Luther's name without stating that he was a horrible anti-semite and the father of Nazi-ism. Not to add inflammatory issues to the conversation so please ignore, just simply can't type his name without making this point because it is not widely known in the public and it should be.

Don't sell yourself short Judge, you're an incredible slouch.

Martin Luther was the "father" of two movements - The Reformation and Nazism.
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05-09-2013, 10:16 AM
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(05-09-2013 10:06 AM)Skippy538 Wrote:  Again I'm no expert, but youtube guy Evidence does a good job of covering this from a lay perspective in his video series, "why I'm not a christian."









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05-09-2013, 10:31 AM
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(05-09-2013 09:54 AM)guitar_nut Wrote:  [i]You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

You should also note, shortly after this "god" commands them to violate this commandment to create gilded cherubim to adorn the very container for the covenant tablets, the Ark of the Covenant. Talk about hypocrisy. There are many acts in tha Baaable that are compulsory and forbidden simultaneously.

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05-09-2013, 10:42 AM
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(05-09-2013 09:54 AM)guitar_nut Wrote:  I was bored last night and starting thinking about the following lines:
You shall have no other gods before me.

Question for the scholars (not the fundies) on this first rule:
1. Does this phrasing acknowledge that there are other gods?
2. Does this phrasing allow you to recognize other gods, but only as secondary gods?

You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Jesus statues, angel statues, and my pewter fish paperweight are all breaking this commandment. Why do churches allow images of Jebus, angels, and other heavenly figures to adorn their walls?

1. Yes
2. Yes

Gotta admire those sects of Islam that stick to the no images thing. Deluded? Of course. But not hypocritical.

Never thought of it before but it makes the 'jesus fish' a double whammy.

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05-09-2013, 10:46 AM
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Wait a minute, are we going to talk about the commonly accepted list of 10 Commandments, or the ACTUAL set of 10 Commandments found in Exodus 34:14-27? You know, the set that actually made it into the Ark of the Covenant and melted the faces off of some Nazis?

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14 —for you shall not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God— 15 otherwise you might make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land and they would play the harlot with their gods and sacrifice to their gods, and someone might invite you to eat of his sacrifice, 16 and you might take some of his daughters for your sons, and his daughters might play the harlot with their gods and cause your sons also to play the harlot with their gods. 17 You shall make for yourself no molten gods.

18 “You shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread. For seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month of Abib, for in the month of Abib you came out of Egypt.

19 “The first offspring from every womb belongs to Me, and all your male livestock, the first offspring from cattle and sheep. 20 You shall redeem with a lamb the first offspring from a donkey; and if you do not redeem it, then you shall break its neck. You shall redeem all the firstborn of your sons. None shall appear before Me empty-handed.

21 “You shall work six days, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during plowing time and harvest you shall rest. 22 You shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks, that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of In gathering at the turn of the year. 23 Three times a year all your males are to appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel. 24 For I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your borders, and no man shall covet your land when you go up three times a year to appear before the Lord your God.

25 “You shall not offer the blood of My sacrifice with leavened bread, nor is the sacrifice of the Feast of the Passover to be left over until morning.

26 “You shall bring the very first of the first fruits of your soil into the house of the Lord your God.

“You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.”

27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.





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05-09-2013, 12:41 PM
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That video "Which Ten Commandments" is awesome! Moses went 40 days and 40 nights without water, which apparently was Bible speak for 'a long time.' Why doesn't it actually say the correct amount of time, or just "a long time?" Makes no sense why a loving god would be so imprecise, but of course its men who wrote this drivel, which is why it makes no sense and uses common usages from their time. The fact that god couldn't teach them something outside of their knowledge base is so revealing as to the origin of the book.

Then the 10 commandments were different from the first version - and not just a little different. The ones that went on the tablets were really, really different. Maybe Moses decided to remove "do not kill" after the first time he went down the hill and killed 3000 people? Hilarious! What a ridiculous document. Don't boil the kid in its mother's milk - wah? Is that offensive to the dead kid or the mother or to god? Why just a kid, and not a calf?

Don't sell yourself short Judge, you're an incredible slouch.

Martin Luther was the "father" of two movements - The Reformation and Nazism.
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