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19-10-2016, 10:49 AM (This post was last modified: 19-10-2016 10:58 AM by The Organic Chemist.)
Teresa McBain found god again
In a recent post on the Friendly Atheist page Hemant Meheta posted a blog about how Teresa McBain found god again.

In case you don't know who she is, she is a pastor who was part of the Clergy Project who very publicly outed herself at a convention where she was going to talk about the Project (youtube it if you want to see it). Apparently, she is back in the fold.

Anyway, I think that Meheta missed a very important thing in his post. Depending on how her experiences were during the time when she was speaking at conferences and whatnot, she may be a great asset in dispelling the image of non believing people that believers seem to have. The first thought that I had when I read this was "I bet the apologists are going to have a field day with this one" but the more I thought about it I began to second guess that. No doubt the Kellers, Craigs, and McDowells of the world are calling her trying to get the scoop for their next book but if McBain had good experiences with the people and saw that even though they are godless, they have direction and purpose, that would be useless to the apologist. This may actually be a good thing. I am sure that McBain will write a book about leaving and coming back into the fold but what I really hope is that she can give the church folk insight that the apologist only pretends to know. I for one am tired of people I know only knowing about me from an ignorant apologist or pastor who has no clue what they are talking about and an agenda. I am not sure what she will do but I am actually interested in how this story will end.

Only time will tell.

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19-10-2016, 01:58 PM
RE: Teresa McBain found god again
I admit, I'll buy the inevitable book.

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19-10-2016, 02:04 PM
RE: Teresa McBain found god again
I'm kinda curious to know the thought process.


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And without so much as a mere touch, cut me into little pieces

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19-10-2016, 03:09 PM
RE: Teresa McBain found god again
Seth went into it on his Facebook page.

"Speculation continues about Teresa MacBain's return to God-belief. I feel the need to re-visit this, briefly, because I have some concerns.
1) I've seen a No True Scotsman claim. "She was never a 'true atheist' to begin with." The notion is that nobody who ever rejected superstition could return to it.
This is a bad argument, and we shouldn't use it.
Humans can embrace or reject any number of ideas - good or bad, supported or unsupported - for a huge variety of reasons, and while it's true that an atheist's return to religion is rare, it's also dishonest to declare it impossible. Religion becomes attractive to people for a host of reasons, and there are anomalous yet legitimate examples of non-believers who reentered religion.
2) There's a narrative that the atheist Teresa was merely a con, using her atheism as a way to make money by speaking at conventions.
I speak at conventions. A lot of 'em. Trust me...we ain't doing it for the money.
3) Relating to #2, there's a lot of speculation about Teresa's integrity, especially in light of the 2013 controversy over her misrepresentation of credentials in regard to the Humanist Community Project at Harvard.
She screwed up. She said she was sorry. Most of her friends and associates said, "Fine. But you're going to have to re-earn some trust out there."
I'm surely guilty of bias, but I (like many others) wasn't ready to assume the worst, nor did I want Teresa's future ruined because she fudged her resume. For better and for worse, I'm a believer in second chances, along as it goes with a "trust but verify" mechanism of accountability.
Outside of that incident, I've never had a negative blip on my radar about Teresa Macbain. If others have, they should be listened to, provided they're not merely operating on hunches.
4) Sadly, although I've mentioned that Teresa and I are friends, it was brought to my attention that she has apparently unfriended me and many others in the atheist activist movement on Facebook. {UPDATE: Teresa apparently closed her personal FB page, which explains the disconnect.}
The Clergy Project (which she had once been heavily involved with) wasn't directly informed by Teresa about her return to religion, and didn't discover it until October 15th.
This seems irresponsible, a bit cold, and not really like the Teresa MacBain I have known. I certainly thought we'd have received a message, an email, a call or conversation.
Perhaps she is embarrassed, and didn't want to approach us. Perhaps this was her way of making a "clean break" with the movement. Perhaps she's secretly self-conscious and wants to avoid the questions and challenges about her "reasons" for accepting superstitious claims. Perhaps it's something else.
Ultimately, I think we should temper our strong positions with compassion, and we should resist the ugly invective that many are eager to hurl in her direction. I think we should stand ready to assess (and call out) any unreasonable "reasons" Teresa gives for God-belief, but our discussions should remain focused on the ideas themselves.
I can't speak to her intent. Only that she has (again) hitched her wagon to bad ideas. That's all I really know.
And despite our disappointment, we should remember the vast, vast, vast majority of people who permanently, not temporarily, extricate themselves from religious thinking to find liberation, knowledge, worth, discovery, beauty and peace as atheists.
Those stories don't often get the blog treatment or a video blurb, but they're happening all around us, and despite Teresa's departure, we're seeing the ranks of the rational growing every single day."
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19-10-2016, 03:47 PM
RE: Teresa McBain found god again
We know some people go back into the closest and try to convince themselves that they're straight, it shouldn't be any different for convincing yourself of any other fantasy. The trick they do is to not expose them self to anything that might make them question their conviction.
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19-10-2016, 04:09 PM (This post was last modified: 20-10-2016 08:38 AM by Commonsensei.)
RE: Teresa McBain found god again
Theresa found god in this picture. Can you?

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19-10-2016, 05:49 PM
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(19-10-2016 02:04 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  I'm kinda curious to know the thought process.

I'm pretty sure it is not a thought process, but an emotional one. Consider

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20-10-2016, 08:18 AM (This post was last modified: 20-10-2016 08:26 AM by Old Man Marsh.)
RE: Teresa McBain found god again
(19-10-2016 04:09 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Theresa found god in this picture can you?

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Well, there goes the rest of my day.

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Hint: Cat, dog, mouse.

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20-10-2016, 09:46 AM
RE: Teresa McBain found god again
(19-10-2016 04:09 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Theresa found god in this picture. Can you?

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That brings back memories. Use to stare at Where's Waldo? for hours as kid. Finding Waldo was just a tiny part of it.
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20-10-2016, 10:27 AM
RE: Teresa McBain found god again
(19-10-2016 05:49 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(19-10-2016 02:04 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  I'm kinda curious to know the thought process.

I'm pretty sure it is not a thought process, but an emotional one. Consider

You could be right, I'd still like to know what process brought her along. Is it just emotional?

For many people the "evidence" bar is really low and actually laying on ground, while other people it's on the moon (and everywhere between).


But as if to knock me down, reality came around
And without so much as a mere touch, cut me into little pieces

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