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07-11-2017, 11:14 PM
RE: Texas Church Shooting
(07-11-2017 02:46 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Blanket punishments are for weak leaders. Don't punish me for the actions of others. There are about the same number of alcohol related driving deaths a year as gun murders. Yet nobody wants to talk about banning cars or alcohol. Or maybe we should make ALL cars smart cars. Ignition interlocks for all drivers in every vehicle?

How are you being punished? You're still allowed to own a gun.
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07-11-2017, 11:18 PM
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(07-11-2017 08:43 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 05:22 PM)epronovost Wrote:  In this specific situation, it seems that the current laws on weapon sales would have been sufficient to avoid the massacre, but someone drop the ball in the Air Force. Its useless to think about new laws if the current ones aren't applied properly or aren't managed well.

But new laws COULD limit the rights of the law abiding - who by definition are not the problem..


Which seems to not matter to the gun grabbers...

You still haven't explained why requiring smart guns going forward would limit your rights.
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07-11-2017, 11:23 PM
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(07-11-2017 08:43 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  But new laws COULD limit the rights of the law abiding - who by definition are not the problem..


Which seems to not matter to the gun grabbers...

Of course, that's what laws do. If its impossible to achieve your objective by targetting certain demographics because there is too much loopholes or that the problem isn't contained to the said demographic, the law needs to be expanded to all people (or more people). Guns aren't used for criminal or terrorist activities only by convicted felons, but also by people with no charges against them either because they were never caught or because the mass shooting or the murder was their first, and frequently last, felony.

If a product is consumed with so very little regard and responsability that it creates a public health and safety crisis, that product will be restricted. It's sad that it comes to that, but at some point something has to be done. the status quo isn't acceptable. A bad solution might be even worse, but tools are rather limited. There is so little restriction on the right to bear arms in the US that some new one's can be implemented without endangering a lifestyle and activities related to it. That's a good thing, there is still a lot of margin to play with from selective prohibition on some gun models, stricter qualification for some gun types, restriction on ammo stockpilling, national registery of firearms, expanded background check, more money sent to local communities to enforce and stimulate weapon training programs, etc.

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08-11-2017, 04:25 AM
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They're still running that slippery slope, nothing to see here.
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08-11-2017, 08:07 AM
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(07-11-2017 02:33 AM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  
(06-11-2017 06:27 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  Yeah, and who owns them?

> Kindly provide some evidence for your allegations and stop begging the question.

It is true by definition. They are under civilian control.

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08-11-2017, 08:10 AM
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(07-11-2017 10:49 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:36 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  And if you need to use someone else's gun to protect them, or yourself???

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You're fucked.

Protect you from what? Other people with guns?

No, other people who would do you harm if you are unable to defend yourself.

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08-11-2017, 08:14 AM
RE: Texas Church Shooting
(07-11-2017 02:55 PM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 02:46 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Blanket punishments are for weak leaders. Don't punish me for the actions of others. There are about the same number of alcohol related driving deaths a year as gun murders. Yet nobody wants to talk about banning cars or alcohol. Or maybe we should make ALL cars smart cars. Ignition interlocks for all drivers in every vehicle?

Blanket making them like candy, and handing them out like candy sure seems to be working well.

And by that I mean, "BULLSHIT!"

I can assure you that firearms are not handed out like candy, your rhetoric notwithstanding.

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08-11-2017, 09:39 AM
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(08-11-2017 08:07 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 02:33 AM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  > Kindly provide some evidence for your allegations and stop begging the question.

It is true by definition. They are under civilian control.

> Explain how civilians are preventing the local and state police, ATF and FBI from enforcing existing gun control laws.
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08-11-2017, 09:40 AM
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(05-11-2017 11:41 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Turns out prayers can't stop bullets. Who knew?

While I feel for the people affected, I had a facepalm moment when it was showing the people praying after the attack, and the guy that stopped the shooter saying he felt god helped him stop the guy or something like that. Actually make that a double facepalm.

So please tell me what exactly are you asking of the all knowing, all powerful god that should have seen this coming and could have stopped it, or hell at least warned you? I mean....seems like that ship already sailed. And god didn't help the guy take out the shooter unitl he had already shot up the place and killed over 20 people? Was that the magic number of deaths god allowed before he said "ok, that's enough".

Just amazing how delusional it all gets.
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08-11-2017, 10:02 AM
RE: Texas Church Shooting
(08-11-2017 09:39 AM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  
(08-11-2017 08:07 AM)Chas Wrote:  It is true by definition. They are under civilian control.

> Explain how civilians are preventing the local and state police, ATF and FBI from enforcing existing gun control laws.

Easy enough. "That's not a priority for you right now."
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