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24-12-2010, 04:09 PM
RE: The Apocalypse
(23-12-2010 02:58 PM)Ghost Wrote:  Just a couple of morsels for the record for this incredibly stimulating conversation (please keep it coming).

1 - We are in the midst of the Holocene extinction. It's occuring as we speak.

2 - There is always a background extinction rate. It's just a fact of life. But the current extinction rate is estimated (by the likes of David Suzuki) to be about 1 500 times the regular background rate.

Peace and Love and Empathy,

Matt

Except does anyone have an actual record of extinction rates for the known history of the planet. Could it very well be that there are period where extinctions occur more rapidly?

You will forgive me when I say that 1500 is far too even a number and coming from David Suzuki I would like to see some supportive data.
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24-12-2010, 05:08 PM
RE: The Apocalypse
(24-12-2010 04:09 PM)Godless Wrote:  Except does anyone have an actual record of extinction rates for the known history of the planet. Could it very well be that there are period where extinctions occur more rapidly?

It really doesn't matter if there are past extinction rates that are greater than the present one, it is the present one that is affecting us.
(24-12-2010 08:03 AM)TruthAddict Wrote:  I don't know how old you are, but this will probably ruin the latter parts of my life.

Maybe mine too, but still, later generations will have their whole life fucked. That is worse. At least we had some time to enjoy this place.

When I find myself in times of trouble, Richard Dawkins comes to me, speaking words of reason, now I see, now I see.
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24-12-2010, 09:20 PM
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(24-12-2010 08:03 AM)TruthAddict Wrote:  I don't know how old you are, but this will probably ruin the latter parts of my life.

And this forces me to beg the question: What are you doing about it?

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25-12-2010, 12:10 AM
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I would beg to differ. Past events can tell us much about current events including what changed to end an event or begin an event as well as if an event is repetitive or a one time event.

History is grand indeed in it's scale to explain many things we deem problems.
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25-12-2010, 12:11 AM
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Depends where you live on how much you can do...
My country is sluggishly introducing recycling.
I guess I can donate to NGOs that fight to protect the environment but that;s about it.
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26-12-2010, 08:34 AM
 
RE: The Apocalypse
(24-12-2010 09:20 PM)Stark Raving Wrote:  
(24-12-2010 08:03 AM)TruthAddict Wrote:  I don't know how old you are, but this will probably ruin the latter parts of my life.

And this forces me to beg the question: What are you doing about it?

I'm 15 years old. There is a limited amount that I can do. I convinced my parents to buy a hybrid, I recycle a lot, take short showers, try and conserve electricity, drink organic milk etc...

I may continue to take the bus to school throughout high school, even if I can drive.

But I cannot sacrifice hygiene, nor can I live the life of a 13th century hermit. As a consumer, I am limited in what I can do by the products that I can buy. When I turn on the light, I cannot control how the electricity is produced.

My individual impact on the environment is negligible. "But if everyone has that mindset, nothing will ever get done." But for most people, the thought never even crosses their mind that their actions could possibly impact the environment around them, especially people at my age.

And so I say the individual can only make a sizable difference when the products and services provided to him or her allow for that difference to be made. This puts an impetus on the corporations to raise their standards, and they are only willing to do so if it is a marketing tactic, the future of the world be damned. So, the responsibility shifts to the government, which must regulate the corporations. And that is of course government overstepping its role and being socialist (sarcasm).
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26-12-2010, 10:39 AM
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I understand your reasoning, I just don't agree with it. You're shifting the responsibility to the businesses that provide you with products and services? First off, I think you ARE taking responsibility, and don't even realize it. The things that you listed DO make a difference. You say they are negligible, but you're looking at it backwards. Those little things you do are negating other things with a negative impact. So your consciousness of water conservation, energy use, recycling, etc. are doing something, even without counting the things others do.

As for the "I'm a consumer, so it's the fault of the businesses that provide what I consume" excuse? I call shenannigans. As the consumer, you have power. Demand better products. Refuse to "consume" something that you think is not environmentally conscious. Recycle by buying second hand, instead of supprting the attitude of the "use it and lose it" society.

You don't have to live like a hermit to make a difference. You already are. Asking what you're doing about it wasn't an accusation. It was a genuine question. If you really believe that the latter part of your life is "fucked" then maybe it's time to step your efforts up a notch. I've read too many of your posts to believe you are anything less than a VERY intellegent young man. So get creative. Start teaching yourself to do the things that you now depend on corporations for. There may come a day when fresh vegetables can only be purchased by the rich. Grow a tomato plant in a sunny window, so if that day ever comes, you'll know how to grow your own. Ask for a mini solar panel for your next birthday, instead of a new laptop. Then you can run your old laptop with clean energy. Add to your recycling regimen by also composting. You can do it in a small apartment, in a plastic box under your kitchen sink, and you can do it with zero odor. (Google vermicomposting).

You are doing some good things to make your future better. But if you really think that your future is fucked (I believe you may be right if we don't all start changing things NOW) then you MUST take a more active role to improve your outlook.

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