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24-06-2016, 11:24 PM
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Well we all know about that story somehow, it was mentioned in hebrew bible (torah) , bible and Quran.

I've read about that topic in many scientific websites and found out that it's a myth. Gilgamesh is an epic poem from ancient Mesopotamia (Babylons specifically.)
but christians and muslims i've talked to before still deny the fact that the story is damn borrowed, they believe that the flood occurred circa 2349 BCE, and that the account in Genesis was written by Moses circa 1450 BCE, shortly before his death. 5,8 Thus, the Babylonian text must be a corrupted version based on a Paganized adaptation of the true story in Genesis. Alternatively, it might be an independent attempt at describing the world-wide flood. Gasp

The flood story from "The Epic of Galgamesh" 1,8 and the Hebrew story in Genesis are very similar with almost 20 major points in common. Their texts are obviously linked in some way. Either:

In both the Genesis and Gilgamesh stories:

bullet The Genesis story describes how mankind had become obnoxious to God; they were hopelessly sinful and wicked. In the Babylonian story, they were too numerous and noisy.

bullet The gods (or God) decided to send a worldwide flood. This would have drowned all men, women, children, babies and infants, as well as eliminate all of the land animals and birds.

bullet God (or one of the gods) knew of one righteous man, Ut-Napishtim or Noah.

bullet One of the gods (or God) ordered the hero to build a multi-story wooden ark (called a chest or box in the original Hebrew).

bullet The ark would be sealed with pitch.

bullet The ark would have many internal compartments

bullet It would have a single door

bullet It would have at least one window.

bullet The ark was built and loaded with the hero, a few other humans, and samples from all species of other land animals.

bullet A great rain covered the land with water.

bullet The mountains were submerged under water.

bullet The ark landed on a mountain in the Middle East.

bullet The hero sent out birds at regular intervals to find if any dry land was in the vicinity.

bullet The first two birds returned to the ark. The third bird apparently found dry land because it did not return.

bullet The hero and his family left the ark, ritually killed an animal, offered it as a sacrifice.

bullet God (or the gods in the Epic of Gilgamesh) smelled the roasted meat of the sacrifice.

bullet The hero was blessed.

bullet The Babylonian gods seemed genuinely sorry for the genocide that they had created. The God of Noah appears to have regretted his actions as well, because he promised never to do it again.

The were a number of details in which the two stories differed:

bullet Noah received his instructions directly from Yahweh; Ut-Napishtim received them indirectly during a dream.

bullet Noah's ark was 3 stories high and rectangular in shape. Two estimated dimensions are 547 x 91 ft. and 450 x 75 ft. The Babylonian ark was 6 stories high and square.

bullet Ut-Napishtim invited additional people on board: a pilot and some skilled workmen.

bullet Noah's ark landed on Mt. Ararat; Ut-Napishtim's at on Mt. Nisir; these locations are both in the Middle East, and are located few hundred miles apart.

bullet In the Bible, some of the water emerged from beneath the oceans. The rains from above lasted for 40 days and nights. A 40 day interval often symbolized a period of judgment in the Hebrew Scriptures. 2 In the Babylonian account, the water came only in the form of rain, and lasted only 6 days.

bullet Noah released a raven once and a dove twice; Ut-Napishtim released three birds: a dove, swallow and raven.

so do you think that bullet Genesis was copied from an earlier Babylonian story, or
bullet The Galgamesh myth was copied from an earlier Hebrew story in Genesis, or
bullet Both were copied from a common source that predates them both ?

anyone had googled or read about this before? Consider
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24-06-2016, 11:44 PM
RE: The Ark of noah could be a religious fail.
(24-06-2016 11:24 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  Well we all know about that story somehow, it was mentioned in hebrew bible (torah) , bible and Quran.

I've read about that topic in many scientific websites and found out that it's a myth. Gilgamesh is an epic poem from ancient Mesopotamia (Babylons specifically.)
but christians and muslims i've talked to before still deny the fact that the story is damn borrowed, they believe that the flood occurred circa 2349 BCE, and that the account in Genesis was written by Moses circa 1450 BCE, shortly before his death. 5,8 Thus, the Babylonian text must be a corrupted version based on a Paganized adaptation of the true story in Genesis. Alternatively, it might be an independent attempt at describing the world-wide flood. Gasp

The flood story from "The Epic of Galgamesh" 1,8 and the Hebrew story in Genesis are very similar with almost 20 major points in common. Their texts are obviously linked in some way. Either:

In both the Genesis and Gilgamesh stories:

bullet The Genesis story describes how mankind had become obnoxious to God; they were hopelessly sinful and wicked. In the Babylonian story, they were too numerous and noisy.

bullet The gods (or God) decided to send a worldwide flood. This would have drowned all men, women, children, babies and infants, as well as eliminate all of the land animals and birds.

bullet God (or one of the gods) knew of one righteous man, Ut-Napishtim or Noah.

bullet One of the gods (or God) ordered the hero to build a multi-story wooden ark (called a chest or box in the original Hebrew).

bullet The ark would be sealed with pitch.

bullet The ark would have many internal compartments

bullet It would have a single door

bullet It would have at least one window.

bullet The ark was built and loaded with the hero, a few other humans, and samples from all species of other land animals.

bullet A great rain covered the land with water.

bullet The mountains were submerged under water.

bullet The ark landed on a mountain in the Middle East.

bullet The hero sent out birds at regular intervals to find if any dry land was in the vicinity.

bullet The first two birds returned to the ark. The third bird apparently found dry land because it did not return.

bullet The hero and his family left the ark, ritually killed an animal, offered it as a sacrifice.

bullet God (or the gods in the Epic of Gilgamesh) smelled the roasted meat of the sacrifice.

bullet The hero was blessed.

bullet The Babylonian gods seemed genuinely sorry for the genocide that they had created. The God of Noah appears to have regretted his actions as well, because he promised never to do it again.

The were a number of details in which the two stories differed:

bullet Noah received his instructions directly from Yahweh; Ut-Napishtim received them indirectly during a dream.

bullet Noah's ark was 3 stories high and rectangular in shape. Two estimated dimensions are 547 x 91 ft. and 450 x 75 ft. The Babylonian ark was 6 stories high and square.

bullet Ut-Napishtim invited additional people on board: a pilot and some skilled workmen.

bullet Noah's ark landed on Mt. Ararat; Ut-Napishtim's at on Mt. Nisir; these locations are both in the Middle East, and are located few hundred miles apart.

bullet In the Bible, some of the water emerged from beneath the oceans. The rains from above lasted for 40 days and nights. A 40 day interval often symbolized a period of judgment in the Hebrew Scriptures. 2 In the Babylonian account, the water came only in the form of rain, and lasted only 6 days.

bullet Noah released a raven once and a dove twice; Ut-Napishtim released three birds: a dove, swallow and raven.

so do you think that bullet Genesis was copied from an earlier Babylonian story, or
bullet The Galgamesh myth was copied from an earlier Hebrew story in Genesis, or
bullet Both were copied from a common source that predates them both ?

anyone had googled or read about this before? Consider

Look up Ziusudra and Atrahasis. Both are other flood stories that share similarities. It's obvious it's all just recycled myth.

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24-06-2016, 11:54 PM
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Nobody bothered to inform the Australian Aboriginals whose culture is close to 100,000 years old.

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25-06-2016, 05:05 AM
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(24-06-2016 11:54 PM)Banjo Wrote:  Nobody bothered to inform the Australian Aboriginals whose culture is close to 100,000 years old.

Not Noah's fault if they didn't check their email.
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25-06-2016, 05:20 AM
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could?
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25-06-2016, 08:47 AM
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Yes could be , Religious people will always find way to make an excuse.
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25-06-2016, 09:04 AM
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(25-06-2016 08:47 AM)rosechaos Wrote:  Yes could be , Religious people will always find way to make an excuse.

ive seen the excuses. theyre ridiculous.
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25-06-2016, 09:18 AM
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I made a thread with a number of other flood stories.

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...od-Stories

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25-06-2016, 09:20 AM
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Science has debunked the worldwide flood claim. Flood myths exist in other religions as well, they have different details, but all stem from the fact that humans mistook massive storms that caused river and see levels to rise as being the entirety of the planet.

But morally the biblical flood myth is a vile story. It is an act of revenge and an act of genocide. Not to mention after all that, one family is left according to the story, and without incest believers have no way to explain how the world was repopulated.

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25-06-2016, 12:07 PM
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(24-06-2016 11:24 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  Well we all know about that story somehow, it was mentioned in hebrew bible (torah) , bible and Quran.

I've read about that topic in many scientific websites and found out that it's a myth. Gilgamesh is an epic poem from ancient Mesopotamia (Babylons specifically.)
but christians and muslims i've talked to before still deny the fact that the story is damn borrowed, they believe that the flood occurred circa 2349 BCE, and that the account in Genesis was written by Moses circa 1450 BCE, shortly before his death. 5,8 Thus, the Babylonian text must be a corrupted version based on a Paganized adaptation of the true story in Genesis. Alternatively, it might be an independent attempt at describing the world-wide flood. Gasp

The flood story from "The Epic of Galgamesh" 1,8 and the Hebrew story in Genesis are very similar with almost 20 major points in common. Their texts are obviously linked in some way. Either:

In both the Genesis and Gilgamesh stories:

bullet The Genesis story describes how mankind had become obnoxious to God; they were hopelessly sinful and wicked. In the Babylonian story, they were too numerous and noisy.

bullet The gods (or God) decided to send a worldwide flood. This would have drowned all men, women, children, babies and infants, as well as eliminate all of the land animals and birds.

bullet God (or one of the gods) knew of one righteous man, Ut-Napishtim or Noah.

bullet One of the gods (or God) ordered the hero to build a multi-story wooden ark (called a chest or box in the original Hebrew).

bullet The ark would be sealed with pitch.

bullet The ark would have many internal compartments

bullet It would have a single door

bullet It would have at least one window.

bullet The ark was built and loaded with the hero, a few other humans, and samples from all species of other land animals.

bullet A great rain covered the land with water.

bullet The mountains were submerged under water.

bullet The ark landed on a mountain in the Middle East.

bullet The hero sent out birds at regular intervals to find if any dry land was in the vicinity.

bullet The first two birds returned to the ark. The third bird apparently found dry land because it did not return.

bullet The hero and his family left the ark, ritually killed an animal, offered it as a sacrifice.

bullet God (or the gods in the Epic of Gilgamesh) smelled the roasted meat of the sacrifice.

bullet The hero was blessed.

bullet The Babylonian gods seemed genuinely sorry for the genocide that they had created. The God of Noah appears to have regretted his actions as well, because he promised never to do it again.

The were a number of details in which the two stories differed:

bullet Noah received his instructions directly from Yahweh; Ut-Napishtim received them indirectly during a dream.

bullet Noah's ark was 3 stories high and rectangular in shape. Two estimated dimensions are 547 x 91 ft. and 450 x 75 ft. The Babylonian ark was 6 stories high and square.

bullet Ut-Napishtim invited additional people on board: a pilot and some skilled workmen.

bullet Noah's ark landed on Mt. Ararat; Ut-Napishtim's at on Mt. Nisir; these locations are both in the Middle East, and are located few hundred miles apart.

bullet In the Bible, some of the water emerged from beneath the oceans. The rains from above lasted for 40 days and nights. A 40 day interval often symbolized a period of judgment in the Hebrew Scriptures. 2 In the Babylonian account, the water came only in the form of rain, and lasted only 6 days.

bullet Noah released a raven once and a dove twice; Ut-Napishtim released three birds: a dove, swallow and raven.

so do you think that bullet Genesis was copied from an earlier Babylonian story, or
bullet The Galgamesh myth was copied from an earlier Hebrew story in Genesis, or
bullet Both were copied from a common source that predates them both ?

anyone had googled or read about this before? Consider

The flood myth is a tale of a god that was too stupid to get rid of a bunch of sinners without drowning the entire world.

There is zero scientific evidence for the flood myth despite what apologists will tell you. This absence of evidence is damning since a cataclysm of that magnitude should have left obvious signs everywhere.

The Torah was written between 1000 and 500 BCE with the newest sections, additions and changes being made while in exile in Babylon. Since the Gilgamesh epic was established long before that it isn't difficult to see who borrowed from whom.

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