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07-12-2014, 04:58 PM
The Athiest "SPECIAL" creation story.
OK, It's Sunday (Pagan reference) and I'm drunk...so what better to talk about than religion. I'll save the politics for next weekTongue. This is my first thread so bear with me.

I have a good friend who is a theist (evangelical Christian...they come in all flavors, just like us) who asked me why, in spite of all the evidence (non existent), I didn't believe in GOD. So I proposed a little thought experiment for him.

Suppose I were to entertain the thought that we were created/designed/engineered by an entity/being/intelligence.

I would posit:

A) That it was done in a way that could be explained scientifically (If not then we just don't know the science yet)

B) Said being was mortal, fallible, and limited.

C) That being no longer exists (see B)

I know...it sounds like the whole "Ancient Aliens" thing, doesn't it ? But it's the only explanation that works for "Creation".

So I'm wondering, are there any Theists out there who could accept this if it were true ? What would they do if their GOD turned out to be an alien ?

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07-12-2014, 06:45 PM
RE: The Athiest "SPECIAL" creation story.
Consider

What was the 'evidence' to which your friend alluded?

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07-12-2014, 06:55 PM
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(07-12-2014 06:45 PM)DLJ Wrote:  Consider

What was the 'evidence' to which your friend alluded?

I was hoping for a reply but I didn't expect the venerable DLJ. I'll give you ONE guess as to the "evidence". Here's a hint. Starts with a "B" and ends with "IBLE".

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07-12-2014, 06:58 PM
RE: The Athiest "SPECIAL" creation story.
I would ask him why it did such a piss-poor job of the design.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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07-12-2014, 07:18 PM
RE: The Athiest "SPECIAL" creation story.
Bible isn't a good evidence because it relies on circular logic.

Also ask him why an all-loving God would kill people that didn't worship him.
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07-12-2014, 07:19 PM
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(07-12-2014 06:58 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I would ask him why it did such a piss-poor job of the design.

See. Folks like DLJ and Bucky are the reason I joined this forum. I lurked for them. And thank you both for commenting on my first thread. Bucky, please refer to B. The posited "Creator" is mortal/fallible/limited. After all "He/She/It" did "create" us in "He/She/Its" image.

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07-12-2014, 07:37 PM
RE: The Athiest "SPECIAL" creation story.
(07-12-2014 07:18 PM)Bear100 Wrote:  Bible isn't a good evidence because it relies on circular logic.

Also ask him why an all-loving God would kill people that didn't worship him.

That's a good question. But it wasn't about his belief. It was about mine (ours). For us to believe a creation story, it would have a logical explanation. And if God was that much of a dick, then he's no better than us. See B).

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07-12-2014, 07:51 PM
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OK let's put this out there...Can Christians (those who use the name but don't follow the teachings (pretty much all of them)) Can they accept a GOD who is fallible ?

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07-12-2014, 07:56 PM
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(07-12-2014 06:55 PM)The Drake Wrote:  
(07-12-2014 06:45 PM)DLJ Wrote:  Consider

What was the 'evidence' to which your friend alluded?

I was hoping for a reply but I didn't expect the venerable DLJ. I'll give you ONE guess as to the "evidence". Here's a hint. Starts with a "B" and ends with "IBLE".

Yabut, the Bible is the claim, it's not the evidence. Drinking Beverage

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07-12-2014, 10:19 PM
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(07-12-2014 07:56 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(07-12-2014 06:55 PM)The Drake Wrote:  I was hoping for a reply but I didn't expect the venerable DLJ. I'll give you ONE guess as to the "evidence". Here's a hint. Starts with a "B" and ends with "IBLE".

Yabut, the Bible is the claim, it's not the evidence. Drinking Beverage

Unless your my friend. If it's in DA BUYBULL it's the troofeses. Damn, that sounded ignorant. Never mind.

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