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27-07-2016, 09:51 AM
The Bern and the Donald
In many ways these two represent opposite ends of a spectrum.

There are some important and interesting parallels though.

1. Neither is actually representative of the party they are running for.
2. Both offer "radical" ways of looking at things
3. Both ran on the premise of using alternate campaign financing
4. Both are charismatic enough to create enthusiasm and devotion among groups of voters.
5. Both promise huge changes and are definitely a big step away from "business as usual".

Thoughts?

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27-07-2016, 09:56 AM
RE: The Bern and the Donald
(27-07-2016 09:51 AM)Dom Wrote:  In many ways these two represent opposite ends of a spectrum.

There are some important and interesting parallels though.

1. Neither is actually representative of the party they are running for.
2. Both offer "radical" ways of looking at things
3. Both ran on the premise of using alternate campaign financing
4. Both are charismatic enough to create enthusiasm and devotion among groups of voters.
5. Both promise huge changes and are definitely a big step away from "business as usual".

Thoughts?

6. Both had no actual plans on how they would make change.
7. Both won't be president in 2017.

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27-07-2016, 10:05 AM (This post was last modified: 27-07-2016 10:11 AM by DLJ.)
RE: The Bern and the Donald
(27-07-2016 09:56 AM)WillHopp Wrote:  ...
6. Both had no actual plans on how they would make change.
....

Except one already has implemented those plans.

So there's that.

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EDIT:

Actually, maybe both have.... assuming that Trump's plan was to throw the election but gain a huge consumer base for his future Trump Media enterprise (run by Roger Ailes) that will replace Fox News which will be swinging to the centre after Murdock croaks.

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27-07-2016, 10:07 AM
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6. Both made ridiculous promises that they could never get through Congress.

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27-07-2016, 10:29 AM
RE: The Bern and the Donald
(27-07-2016 10:07 AM)Minimalist Wrote:  6. Both made ridiculous promises that they could never get through Congress.

Yeah, that's what I intended my 6. to mean. Thumbsup

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27-07-2016, 06:41 PM
RE: The Bern and the Donald
(27-07-2016 09:51 AM)Dom Wrote:  In many ways these two represent opposite ends of a spectrum.

There are some important and interesting parallels though.

1. Neither is actually representative of the party they are running for.
2. Both offer "radical" ways of looking at things
3. Both ran on the premise of using alternate campaign financing
4. Both are charismatic enough to create enthusiasm and devotion among groups of voters.
5. Both promise huge changes and are definitely a big step away from "business as usual".

Thoughts?

The point I was trying to make is that the US is obviously sick of business as usual. But, instead of finding some common ground, there are two categorically opposed candidates, both filling that need for change, but in opposite camps. The gap has become bigger than ever. The only uniting factor seems to be that everyone wants change.

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27-07-2016, 06:51 PM
RE: The Bern and the Donald
(27-07-2016 09:51 AM)Dom Wrote:  In many ways these two represent opposite ends of a spectrum.

There are some important and interesting parallels though.

1. Neither is actually representative of the party they are running for.
2. Both offer "radical" ways of looking at things
3. Both ran on the premise of using alternate campaign financing
4. Both are charismatic enough to create enthusiasm and devotion among groups of voters.
5. Both promise huge changes and are definitely a big step away from "business as usual".

Thoughts?

Demagoguery is not "radical" it is dangerous. Do NOT equate that selfish narcissistic asshole Trump to Bernie. They are not even close to the same.

Democrats as VOTERS are progressives and so is Bernie, Bernie is simply trying to pull progressives back to the left, nothing "radical" about it. There is nothing radical about wanting universal health care, something Hillary wanted back in the 90s. Both Hillary and Bernie want equal pay for women and livable wages. Both Hillary and Bernie want affordable or free higher education.

If anyone is to blame for Hillary being right of center, and Obama had to compromise as well too, you can blame the GOP for Reagan's deregulation and 36 years of GOP using cold war slurs to pain the left as anti American.

It is absurd to say Bernie and Trump are the same. Trump is a selfish asshole demagogue, Bernie actually does care about the stability of workers and minorities and women.

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27-07-2016, 06:58 PM
RE: The Bern and the Donald
(27-07-2016 06:51 PM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(27-07-2016 09:51 AM)Dom Wrote:  In many ways these two represent opposite ends of a spectrum.

There are some important and interesting parallels though.

1. Neither is actually representative of the party they are running for.
2. Both offer "radical" ways of looking at things
3. Both ran on the premise of using alternate campaign financing
4. Both are charismatic enough to create enthusiasm and devotion among groups of voters.
5. Both promise huge changes and are definitely a big step away from "business as usual".

Thoughts?

Demagoguery is not "radical" it is dangerous. Do NOT equate that selfish narcissistic asshole Trump to Bernie. They are not even close to the same.

Democrats as VOTERS are progressives and so is Bernie, Bernie is simply trying to pull progressives back to the left, nothing "radical" about it. There is nothing radical about wanting universal health care, something Hillary wanted back in the 90s. Both Hillary and Bernie want equal pay for women and livable wages. Both Hillary and Bernie want affordable or free higher education.

If anyone is to blame for Hillary being right of center, and Obama had to compromise as well too, you can blame the GOP for Reagan's deregulation and 36 years of GOP using cold war slurs to pain the left as anti American.

It is absurd to say Bernie and Trump are the same. Trump is a selfish asshole demagogue, Bernie actually does care about the stability of workers and minorities and women.

Yabbut, I wasn't looking at the candidates, we have many threads on that. I was looking at the nation.

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27-07-2016, 08:43 PM
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(27-07-2016 06:51 PM)Brian37 Wrote:  Bernie actually does care about the stability of workers and minorities and women.

That is why he supports crooked Hillary. "The revolutionary" Rolleyes

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27-07-2016, 10:36 PM
RE: The Bern and the Donald
(27-07-2016 08:43 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(27-07-2016 06:51 PM)Brian37 Wrote:  Bernie actually does care about the stability of workers and minorities and women.

That is why he supports crooked Hillary. "The revolutionary" Rolleyes

Crooked HillaryLaugh out load when you have to measure against the alternative, Trump. Trump has told more falsehoods in his short campaign, than Hillary has in all her "public life" statements. Yeah, in comparison Hillary is as straight as a mathematical line.

You will never find Hillary slapping her daughter's butt, but "the Donald," well what do you expect from a small penis man? Ever wonder who started that statement? Maybe the lady trying to escape his small hands slapping her butt on a NATIONAL BROADCAST!!! Misogyny at its finest.

You will never find Hillary, asking the Russians to hack AMERICAN servers, but as they say, "the Donald is special." In all honesty the said the same about W. Bush. Special as in "slow, ignorant, and cocky." Not the best traits of a leader. Ask Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany, after W. molested her at a televised conference. Donald's daughter and Angela have a lot in common. A dislike of being inappropriately touched. It seems that W. used Merkel as the subject of one of his paintings.

In conclusion and in comparison, Hillary is Revolutionary in comparison to Trump the Misogynist, Trump the Racist, Trump the xenophobe, Trump the "tax cuts for corporations and more of the tax burden or less of social services for the people."
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