The Bible Is Not Meant To Be Taken Literally? That's Not What The Bible Says!
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09-08-2014, 09:46 AM (This post was last modified: 09-08-2014 10:36 AM by WindyCityJazz.)
The Bible Is Not Meant To Be Taken Literally? That's Not What The Bible Says!
"The Bible is not meant to be taken literally!"

Atheists have heard this excuse all the time from Christian cherry-pickers to squirm their way out of situations where they are confronted by ridiculous, immoral crap from the Bible. The only problem is, the Bible says that it IS to be taken literally!:

2 Peter 1:20-21
20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.


Does this not only blow the whole "Bible not meant to be taken literally" argument to pieces? If you're not taking the Bible literally, then you are not a "true Christian" according to the Bible!

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09-08-2014, 10:52 AM
RE: The Bible Is Not Meant To Be Taken Literally? That's Not What The Bible Says!
I believe that says the prophets conveyed God's message unadulterated.
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09-08-2014, 11:03 AM (This post was last modified: 09-08-2014 11:08 AM by Tartarus Sauce.)
RE: The Bible Is Not Meant To Be Taken Literally? That's Not What The Bible Says!
(09-08-2014 10:52 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  I believe that says the prophets conveyed God's message unadulterated.

There's always going to be a different interpretation, as you yourself have just demonstrated. So even if the Bible says to be taken literally, somebody will interpret that statement differently.

Also, if we were to assume that it did indeed mean as you say, the unadulterated words of god were passed along by the prophets, it wouldn't do a whole lot of good knowing that if you couldn't distinguish the original message from the very adulterated human bungling that occurred with the message for thousands of years.

The power of divine wisdom, if it exists, is minuscule in comparison to the unreliability of human interpretation and preponderance for error (and outright deceit).

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09-08-2014, 11:07 AM
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Oh, come now.

Anytime anyone else disagrees with your particular Biblical interpretation, they're simply not reading it with the right ignorance and cognitive dissonance guidance of the Holy Spirit.

An entire system of scriptural interpretation based on subjective personal experience?

What could possibly go wrong with that?

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09-08-2014, 11:25 AM
RE: The Bible Is Not Meant To Be Taken Literally? That's Not What The Bible Says!
(09-08-2014 11:03 AM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  
(09-08-2014 10:52 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  I believe that says the prophets conveyed God's message unadulterated.

There's always going to be a different interpretation, as you yourself have just demonstrated. So even if the Bible says to be taken literally, somebody will interpret that statement differently.

Also, if we were to assume that it did indeed mean as you say, the unadulterated words of god were passed along by the prophets, it wouldn't do a whole lot of good knowing that if you couldn't distinguish the original message from the very adulterated human bungling that occurred with the message for thousands of years.

The power of divine wisdom, if it exists, is minuscule in comparison to the unreliability of human interpretation and preponderance for error (and outright deceit).

I hear you, and it would be amusing if that was what was written. The verse quoted in the OP doesn't mean that, at least not in english. Perhaps more can be learned about it if you consult the greek.

A few different translations:
New Living Translation Peter 2:20-21 Wrote:20 Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet’s own understanding,[h] 21 or from human initiative. No, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit, and they spoke from God.

King James Version Peter 2:20-21 Wrote:20 knowing this first: that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in olden times by the will of man, but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


(09-08-2014 11:07 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Oh, come now.

Anytime anyone else disagrees with your particular Biblical interpretation, they're simply not reading it with the right ignorance and cognitive dissonance guidance of the Holy Spirit.

An entire system of scriptural interpretation based on subjective personal experience?

What could possibly go wrong with that?

I am pretty glad they don't. Bible can be a horrible moral guide.
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09-08-2014, 12:07 PM
RE: The Bible Is Not Meant To Be Taken Literally? That's Not What The Bible Says!
(09-08-2014 09:46 AM)WindyCityJazz Wrote:  "The Bible is not meant to be taken literally!"
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2 Peter 1:20-21

Dumbass!

2 Peter 1:20-21 was never meant to be taken literally.

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10-08-2014, 12:08 AM
RE: The Bible Is Not Meant To Be Taken Literally? That's Not What The Bible Says!
(09-08-2014 11:07 AM)cjlr Wrote:  What could possibly go wrong with that?

umm everything Dodgy
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10-08-2014, 12:22 AM
RE: The Bible Is Not Meant To Be Taken Literally? That's Not What The Bible Says!
(09-08-2014 12:07 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(09-08-2014 09:46 AM)WindyCityJazz Wrote:  "The Bible is not meant to be taken literally!"
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2 Peter 1:20-21

Dumbass!

2 Peter 1:20-21 was never meant to be taken literally.

Rolleyes

correction, nothing in that damn book should be taken literally

unless it can be verified by archeological evidence that has been verified
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10-08-2014, 07:48 AM
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(10-08-2014 12:08 AM)Ace Wrote:  
(09-08-2014 11:07 AM)cjlr Wrote:  What could possibly go wrong with that?

umm everything Dodgy

Umm...cjlr was being sarcastic in that comment. I do not support the use of sarcasm symbols or hashtags though, so I don't blame him for not using one.

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10-08-2014, 07:59 AM
RE: The Bible Is Not Meant To Be Taken Literally? That's Not What The Bible Says!
I really hate this doge, especially made by liberal theists. The bible is what is being argued in this thread, but the same can be argued by liberal theists of other religions.

The reality is that most humans in antiquity were scientifically ignorant, and the god or gods and holy men, from oracles to monks and priests and rabbis and Imams, to all holy writings in polytheism and monotheism reflected the societies of antiquity.

I find it sad that humans would rather cling to a social norm "just because". If our species never questioned social norms our species never would have left the caves. We can preserve diversity and secular pluralism without clinging to ancient books.

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