The Bible is a metaphor?
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03-08-2012, 02:11 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
Isn't it weird that they claim that the stories are metaphors, when 2000 years ago, the vast majority of the population was illiterate? Why would they have extensive knowledge about figures of speech when they are unable to read?

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03-08-2012, 07:41 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 02:11 AM)Vosur Wrote:  Isn't it weird that they claim that the stories are metaphors, when 2000 years ago, the vast majority of the population was illiterate? Why would they have extensive knowledge about figures of speech when they are unable to read?

No, that doesn't follow. Understanding metaphor doesn't require literacy.

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03-08-2012, 07:49 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 07:41 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 02:11 AM)Vosur Wrote:  Isn't it weird that they claim that the stories are metaphors, when 2000 years ago, the vast majority of the population was illiterate? Why would they have extensive knowledge about figures of speech when they are unable to read?
No, that doesn't follow. Understanding metaphor doesn't require literacy.
Of course not, but that doesn't adress the problem at all. How would they be able to tell the difference between a metaphor and a literal part without being able to read the scripture?

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03-08-2012, 07:54 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 07:49 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 07:41 AM)Chas Wrote:  No, that doesn't follow. Understanding metaphor doesn't require literacy.
Of course not, but that doesn't adress the problem at all. How would they be able to tell the difference between a metaphor and a literal part without being able to read the scripture?

They same way they do now: they use their personal beliefs given what they know of the world (or accept in the world as true).

Although back then they probably knew what was a metaphor better as they knew what was going on in places (so people in the areas mentioned in the bible were probably like "what? that never happened, oh a metaphor!" whereas people other places may have thought "really, oh, ok" or "metaphor"). Now the creation of the world/universe, they probably bought as-is--but then they didn't know of psychological disorders (yeah, people back then probably did see and hear animals talking), or of what science has shown (like they didn't know of fossils, or at least the significance of them).
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03-08-2012, 07:55 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 07:49 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 07:41 AM)Chas Wrote:  No, that doesn't follow. Understanding metaphor doesn't require literacy.
Of course not, but that doesn't adress the problem at all. How would they be able to tell the difference between a metaphor and a literal part without being able to read the scripture?

By hearing the scripture. In early Christianity, the scriptures were read to the flock.

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03-08-2012, 07:57 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 07:55 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 07:49 AM)Vosur Wrote:  Of course not, but that doesn't adress the problem at all. How would they be able to tell the difference between a metaphor and a literal part without being able to read the scripture?

By hearing the scripture. In early Christianity, the scriptures were read to the flock.

Yeah, but that is not personally dicerning metaphors themselves. It is simply relying on perspective and connotations of the reader.

It is also relying on faith that the reader didn't make shit up as well.

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03-08-2012, 08:00 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 07:55 AM)Chas Wrote:  By hearing the scripture. In early Christianity, the scriptures were read to the flock.
That's relying on someone else telling them the truth. They had no way of validating it themselves. Religious authorities have been exploiting the illiteracy of people to twist around the actual contents of the scripture all throughout history.

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03-08-2012, 08:08 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 07:57 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 07:55 AM)Chas Wrote:  By hearing the scripture. In early Christianity, the scriptures were read to the flock.

Yeah, but that is not personally dicerning metaphors themselves. It is simply relying on perspective and connotations of the reader.

It is also relying on faith that the reader didn't make shit up as well.

Can we argue one thing at a time?

Literacy is not required to understand metaphor.

Are you now talking about how one decides what is or isn't metaphor?

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03-08-2012, 08:11 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 08:08 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 07:57 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  Yeah, but that is not personally dicerning metaphors themselves. It is simply relying on perspective and connotations of the reader.

It is also relying on faith that the reader didn't make shit up as well.

Can we argue one thing at a time?

Literacy is not required to understand metaphor.

Are you now talking about how one decides what is or isn't metaphor?

I never said they couldn't, but you misunderstood Vosur's original meaning in the post.

He is talking about how they could understand the bible was a metaphor when they were illiterate and couldn't read the Bible text.

He was asking how they could tell based off the Bible. The reader who would read them this suppossed scripture might instill the idea its a metaphor, but that is up to his interpretation of the texts HE could read, while the illiterates are only getting his perspective on the verses as well.

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03-08-2012, 08:17 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 08:08 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 07:57 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  Yeah, but that is not personally dicerning metaphors themselves. It is simply relying on perspective and connotations of the reader.

It is also relying on faith that the reader didn't make shit up as well.

Can we argue one thing at a time?

Literacy is not required to understand metaphor.

Are you now talking about how one decides what is or isn't metaphor?

The topic pertains to the problem of Biblical interpretation. Whether or not the person is literate, they have the capacity to understand the passages of the Bible in different ways. Even if the reader of the Bible is not biased, and reads what is literally in the book, it would be the same as reading it with your own bias.

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