The Bible is a metaphor?
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03-08-2012, 08:20 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 08:00 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 07:55 AM)Chas Wrote:  By hearing the scripture. In early Christianity, the scriptures were read to the flock.
That's relying on someone else telling them the truth. They had no way of validating it themselves. Religious authorities have been exploiting the illiteracy of people to twist around the actual contents of the scripture all throughout history.

What difference is there between hearing it read and reading it?

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03-08-2012, 08:22 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 08:20 AM)Chas Wrote:  What difference is there between hearing it read and reading it?
"Religious authorities have been exploiting the illiteracy of people to twist around the actual contents of the scripture all throughout history."
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03-08-2012, 08:24 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 08:20 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 08:00 AM)Vosur Wrote:  That's relying on someone else telling them the truth. They had no way of validating it themselves. Religious authorities have been exploiting the illiteracy of people to twist around the actual contents of the scripture all throughout history.

What difference is there between hearing it read and reading it?

By hearing it read there is external bias, by reading there is internal bias.

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03-08-2012, 08:24 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 08:22 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 08:20 AM)Chas Wrote:  What difference is there between hearing it read and reading it?
"Religious authorities have been exploiting the illiteracy of people to twist around the actual contents of the scripture all throughout history."

Frequently tell lies that are big enough, and you will eventually win the hearts and minds of anyone.

(03-08-2012 08:24 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 08:20 AM)Chas Wrote:  What difference is there between hearing it read and reading it?

By hearing it read there is external bias, by reading there is internal bias.

In this case they are able to form an opinion if they are biased against the preacher, rather than biased for him. If the person is biased in the preacher's favor, see my selection above.

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03-08-2012, 08:29 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 08:24 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 08:22 AM)Vosur Wrote:  "Religious authorities have been exploiting the illiteracy of people to twist around the actual contents of the scripture all throughout history."

Frequently tell lies that are big enough, and you will eventually win the hearts and minds of anyone.

(03-08-2012 08:24 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  By hearing it read there is external bias, by reading there is internal bias.

In this case they are able to form an opinion if they are biased against the preacher, rather than biased for him.

How can they come to a different conclusion if he doesn't have any other information on the scriptures and he ( the reader) is in a powerful position.

Ignorant people are the ones most likely to take things on faith, and agree with authority.

Especially the ones that CAN'T read.

We are talking about illiterates getting read the bible from another person. They are going to be exposed to external bias, and they don't have a way to form a counter idea if the reader is all the information they have on the scriptures.

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03-08-2012, 08:30 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
This is considering that the literate ones are the preachers, and the followers are unable to read.

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03-08-2012, 08:36 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 08:29 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  How can they come to a different conclusion if he doesn't have any other information on the scriptures and he ( the reader) is in a powerful position.

If you'd pay attention to the Skype conversation we are having right now, you'd know why I'd argue against the notion that illiteracy means the instantaneous faith in something.

(03-08-2012 08:29 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  Ignorant people are the ones most likely to take things on faith, and agree with authority.

Yes, but this is assuming people are willingly ignorant.

(03-08-2012 08:29 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  Especially the ones that CAN'T read.

Again, you are correct. Assuming they have not already heard another bias somewhere else.

(03-08-2012 08:29 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  We are talking about illiterates getting read the bible from another person. They are going to be exposed to external bias, and they don't have a way to form a counter idea if the reader is all the information they have on the scriptures.

I am talking about people who have the ability to think critically.

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03-08-2012, 08:40 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 08:36 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 08:29 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  How can they come to a different conclusion if he doesn't have any other information on the scriptures and he ( the reader) is in a powerful position.

If you'd pay attention to the Skype conversation we are having right now, you'd know why I'd argue against the notion that illiteracy means the instantaneous faith in something.

(03-08-2012 08:29 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  Ignorant people are the ones most likely to take things on faith, and agree with authority.

Yes, but this is assuming people are willingly ignorant.

(03-08-2012 08:29 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  Especially the ones that CAN'T read.

Again, you are correct. Assuming they have not already heard another bias somewhere else.

(03-08-2012 08:29 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  We are talking about illiterates getting read the bible from another person. They are going to be exposed to external bias, and they don't have a way to form a counter idea if the reader is all the information they have on the scriptures.

I am talking about people who have the ability to think critically.

We are talking about the past.

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03-08-2012, 08:43 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 08:22 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 08:20 AM)Chas Wrote:  What difference is there between hearing it read and reading it?
"Religious authorities have been exploiting the illiteracy of people to twist around the actual contents of the scripture all throughout history."

You are conflating reading with interpreting.Drinking Beverage

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03-08-2012, 08:44 AM
RE: The Bible is a metaphor?
(03-08-2012 08:40 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 08:36 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  If you'd pay attention to the Skype conversation we are having right now, you'd know why I'd argue against the notion that illiteracy means the instantaneous faith in something.


Yes, but this is assuming people are willingly ignorant.


Again, you are correct. Assuming they have not already heard another bias somewhere else.


I am talking about people who have the ability to think critically.

We are talking about the past.

In this case, a person is not willfully ignorant.

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