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01-02-2012, 07:36 AM
RE: The Case for Christ on Egor's Blather
What in the name of all that's fuckable? Egor again? Pfft!

Oh, no Hallucinations 4:11 says the 'gilded sheep should be stewed in rat blood' but Morons 5:16 contradicts it. (Chas)

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01-02-2012, 07:48 AM
RE: The Case for Christ on Egor's Blather
Nicely debunked Denico.

Not sure if you've ready many of Egors blog post, but most of them are fairly formulaic:

1. Say something controversial
2. Conduct 0 hours research.
3. Blame/criticise atheists.
4. Repeat.

The abortion one follows this pattern -

1. Abortion is bad.
2. Conduct 0 hours of research into the credibility of Strobel.
3. Atheists are intellectually weak if they haven't read Strobel.
4. Repeat with topics as diverse as the existance of dark matter to Westboro.

Debunking them is fun though...it's my new hobby!

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01-02-2012, 08:32 AM
 
RE: The Case for Christ on Egor's Blather
(01-02-2012 01:00 AM)Egor Wrote:  You're matching degrees? Lee Strobel is a journalist, or was. Other than his employer, who the hell cares what degree he has?

Uh, YOU DO! You should see YOUR OWN blog (blather) where you actually mutter on about degrees of theist and nontheist and their field of expertise. Egor you are a living breathing contradiction son.

And when it comes to researching the history of something....anything, oh...EVERYONE should care about education.

You and your posts really do exemplify how Christendom has managed to continue to fester thru the ages. You make blanket statements about atheist not reading certian books and not being honest. Curious where was your poll done? I cant see a thread here where you conducted some inquiry about who has or has not read said book. Oh thats right, you suffer from SaraPalinism...where you just start talking and making shit up and those around you nod. Were you simply self reflecting (aka talking out of your ass) and putting those moments of insanity on your unspellchecked blather?

Smackdown language was simply using your own words. Seems to have gotten a reaction though.........


Denicio
Let me quote this guy name EGOR on his own blather where he seems to put stock into eduction and SEEMS to be impressed.....

..and i quote

" I noticed with a paranoid squint is that this guy has huge credentials, not the least of which is a Ph.D. in physics from MIT. That’s no small educational achievement. And I notice this book is endorsed by Richard Dawkins.

What is it with these scientists who aren’t really known for any original scientific work in their fields? Why are they concerning themselves with theology?"

Funny thing about his Dawkins reference, dawkins generally debates from his field of study, evolutionary biology, not from theology. When THEOLOGY 'concerns' its self with biology..thats when REAL biologists stand of for whats real and true. DONT you get that?
IF you and your ilk started muttering on about Printed Circuit Boards suddenly and started spewing all kinds of stupidity about theology and PCB's, REAL LIVE electrical engineers would have to take you up on the debate. Thats just how it goes.
You have to be smart enough to know that, right?
When Theology sticks its nose into something, those that are experts in that field that have proven theories bark back.

I digress...why is the quote above putting any emphasis on education when you clearly dont care about degrees?

Arguing in circles. Be careful. After a while you might get dizzy!!!

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01-02-2012, 02:17 PM (This post was last modified: 01-02-2012 02:26 PM by znk666.)
RE: The Case for Christ on Egor's Blather
(01-02-2012 01:00 AM)Egor Wrote:  Why in the world would you put so much energy into studying the Bible? Just to shoot it down? Seriously, what are you hoping to find. The Bible is meaningless to those who have no communication with God. The Bible is for believers, not atheists.
(01-02-2012 04:07 AM)Smooshmonster Wrote:  That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard from a theist. You are contradicting yourself and every theist out there by saying that the bible can only be understood by believers. Then what the hell is it for? If you need to believe before you can read the bible, what was the point of god "dictating" this book to the masses to begin with?

Comrade,the thing you are currently doing is using logical and critical thinking against a theist,and in this case he's a very unintelligent one.

Also from what Egor has written,i can safely assume he's suffering from Dementia,Schizophrenia or psychotic depression and quite possibly from some type of Aspergers syndrome.

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02-02-2012, 01:48 AM
 
RE: The Case for Christ on Egor's Blather
(01-02-2012 02:40 AM)Leela Wrote:  So you base your life and moral system on something/someone you agree on not knowing wether it is true or not.
Resting my case - nothing to argue about that.

First off, is there any way you could change your avatar. It totally freaks me out. I’m sure it has meaning for you, but damn if it isn’t disturbing.

As for Jesus Christ: Have you ever read the Gospels? They are miraculous in nature. I don’t know any other form of literature like them. They say exactly what is needed to change a person spiritually.

One of the books I intend to publish is about the horrible things that Jesus says, when that comes out, I think it will blow your mind.

Quote:You see, all that counts for you is your opinion, all that counts for me is what people have to say who actually have a clue. And when a doctor tells me that certain details are not correct the way they are shown on TV I rather go for that.

But if I’m not mistaken, the guy who described the video was an obstetrician. What about his opinion?

Quote:I know the pictures there are ugly but that thing is not a baby yet. A baby is a fully functioning body that can survive without livesupport outside the mothers womb. A fetus is something that can survive outside the mother's womb with life support or at least has a functioning circulation, which an 12 week old bunch of cells that are starting to form something that will be a person at some point, does not have.

Spoken like a true atheist.

Quote:And again you show off your ignorance, sir.

I do not believe anything. I research and get a lot of information, I read and listen to different opinions before I make up my mind. And presented new evidence I am able to change my mind.

At least my moral is based on what is good for people and the community. And not what a magical being in the sky paints as good and evil, because based on that I should run around a slaughter people and animals and even my own kids. That sounds totally moral. But yeah you said, sorry for the mistake, that you are a "jesus guy" - well he was for slavery so should you as a moral person who follows Jesus' teachings.

Have a nice life, man.
I know what kind of atheist you are. You’re the type that wants to be immoral in some way and can’t have God looking over your shoulder all the time. I’ll bet you used to be a Catholic, didn’t you? Abortion of any fetus that can’t jump out of the womb and fend for itself. Good for people and the community is it? You sound like a Nazi.

Perhaps you’ve had an abortion at some point. You know it’s your attitude that will send you to hell, not the abortion. God forgives murder all the time. It’s actually a pretty common sin.

(01-02-2012 02:42 AM)robotworld Wrote:  Hi Egor Smile Mind answering a few questions to understand your stances?

Gladly. Thanks for asking.

Quote: 1) Who is Jesus to you?

Jesus is the fully evolved human being. He is God conscious of himself from within his own creation. He is the template for the rest of humanity. In Buddhism, he would be the greatest bodhisattva. In Hinduism, he would be Krishna, the incarnation of Vishnu. To you and me he is the Savior and Son of God.

Quote: 2) What, in your opinion, is the Bible?

The Old Testament is historical reference and background for the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and Thomas. The letters in the New Testament of Paul, Peter, James, John, and the writer of Hebrews are commentary on the Gospels. The Gospels are miraculous documents that shouldn’t even exist at this point in our history. They have the power to transform us into the substance of Christ.

Quote:3) How do you define life? Why?

Life is a manifestation of the monistic entity of fundamental consciousness, which is God. Jesus said that eternal life was the knowledge of God and His Son, Jesus Christ, whom he sent. Thus, life is consciousness and eternal life is the complete knowledge of God.

I interpret it this way because it seems to make a logical sense to me after God revealed it to me when I read the passage where Jesus said it.

Quote:4) At what stage of an embryo's development do you assign it the status of a human being?

At conception. But don’t worry; God forgives murder all the time, unless that is you’re too proud to ever admit you committed murder—or conspired to commit murder.

Quote:Just for clarification purposes, thank you Big Grin

You’re welcome.

(01-02-2012 04:07 AM)Smooshmonster Wrote:  That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard from a theist. You are contradicting yourself and every theist out there by saying that the bible can only be understood by believers. Then what the hell is it for? If you need to believe before you can read the bible, what was the point of god "dictating" this book to the masses to begin with?

It's for the spiritual edification of believers. It never proves the existence of God; it assumes it. So, therefore, it's not for atheists. If you're an atheist, you should just throw your Bibles away. When you come to believe then go treat yourself to a really nice one.


(01-02-2012 06:58 AM)Jackrabbit Wrote:  The bible is a part of the culture and so is the quran, that's why i also have a quran and read it with a marker.
And it's also good to try and read the cases against you're position. That's why we read holy books probably
the same reason why you read atheist books, as for the moral foundation go look at what your christian morality has done to africa, calcuttaand the dark ages
and what the religious mentality in gerneral has done to saudi arabia and iran, then look at the moral codes of the holy books
If the aim of morality is to cause maximum suffering then sure yea, the morals of the christians are superior...

Equality, Reproductive Rights, freedom of speech, press, the reduction of suffering and the pursuit of happyness are my ethical viewpoints.
And your barbarian war god doesnt satisfy any of these conditions
I dont have a corrupt morality because i dont have a morality, i have ethics and unlike morality which is based on revelation or taboo
i base my ethics on the scientific research, minimization of suffering and personal choice.

Define "suffering."
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02-02-2012, 02:50 AM
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(02-02-2012 01:48 AM)Egor Wrote:  Define "suffering."

Define "define".

Oh, no Hallucinations 4:11 says the 'gilded sheep should be stewed in rat blood' but Morons 5:16 contradicts it. (Chas)

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02-02-2012, 09:01 AM
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Thank you Egor for your reply.

1)So, you believe that there is a God and his son, and they are known by different names in different religions, but all these different religions are essentially worshipping the same deity and its subordinates?

2) With regards to your statement:
"The Gospels are miraculous documents that shouldn’t even exist at this point in our history. They have the power to transform us into the substance of Christ."
Can you please elaborate? I'm not sure what you really mean.

3) You define life as "consciousness". Do you mean that only conscious living things have "life"? If yes, just curious, do you consider a bacterium as an organism which possess life? Also, as you have mentioned, once you have the complete knowledge of God, you can have eternal life. I'm curious to how is it possible to achieve that even by the most pious individual.

4) At conception, upon the fusion of the two gametes? I hope to know why you consider so. Even so, do you allow abortion under certain circumstances? For instance, an abortion is needed to save the life of the mother. Consider the fact that both the parent and child would die if the abortion is not carried out.

Thank you for your time Smile

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02-02-2012, 09:15 AM
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@ robotworld: Don't confuse him with long and difficult words like "essentially" and "elaborate" and even worse "circumstances". Just make a drawing and a question mark Wink

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02-02-2012, 09:18 AM
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So Egor, you oppose the morning after pill too? Do you oppose all methods of contraception or just onces that occur after conception?

And what evidence do you have for the statement that a human being starts at conception? At that point, all you have is a cell. Granted, it's a cell that has the potential to develop into a human being, but then so does a sperm. And yet you are not defining that as a human life. It seems to be incredibly arbitrary.

I do know where you're coming from, and I used to be very pro-life. But then I went and researched it, and realised that what I'm accusing people of murdering is no more than a bacterium at that stage.

I will agree with you that it's not really a black and white case, but to liken it to murder is too much. You're more likely to be committing murder if you kill a cow or a mongoose (not that I call those murder either) because those things at least have a brain and are capable of feeling pain and suffering.

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02-02-2012, 09:22 AM
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(02-02-2012 09:15 AM)Leela Wrote:  @ robotworld: Don't confuse him with long and difficult words like "essentially" and "elaborate" and even worse "circumstances". Just make a drawing and a question mark Wink

Sounds like we just need an interpreter that understands derp rage comics.
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