The Concept of God VS Simple Logic and Common sense
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21-11-2013, 05:16 PM
RE: The Concept of God VS Simple Logic and Common sense
(21-11-2013 12:23 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  'Common sense' suffers from the same problem as the word 'theory', in that there is a more common usage and another more proper and specific definition used by science.
Well.. you shouldn't have trouble with it unless you don't understand the context where i'm phrasing that word.
Quote:Thus what a bio-chemist or physicist might consider 'common sense' or 'common knowledge' within their field, will be very peculiar and specialized knowledge to people outside their particular area of study.
Yes that would be a "Common sense" in the community of Physicists it all depends on what context you're using that's all,in the context of Omnipotence&Omniscience almost everyone can understand the logical downpour without having a course in thermodynamics or Astronomy.
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21-11-2013, 05:30 PM
RE: The Concept of God VS Simple Logic and Common sense
Well, yeah, we're atheists so we are most likely going to agree with you. But have you heard theist's responses to these things? They change the rules.

It doesn't matter what you think logic is (or if something doesn't make logical sense), because logic is bestowed by god. It doesn't matter what you think existence is, because all was created by god.

Monotheistic god worship and belief is a DEEPLY seeded delusion that is next to impossible to reason somebody out of if they aren't already questioning it themselves. It's like speaking different languages, or trying to convince somebody who lives in the matrix of reality (or more applicably they think that we nonbelievers are living in the matrix, and they have reality.)
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21-11-2013, 05:49 PM
RE: The Concept of God VS Simple Logic and Common sense
(21-11-2013 05:30 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  But have you heard theist's responses to these things? They change the rules.
Well as long as they don't claim that their God is omnipotent&omniscient they can have a fair case but otherwise they're just defending a paradox.
Quote:It doesn't matter what you think logic is (or if something doesn't make logical sense), because logic is bestowed by god. It doesn't matter what you think existence is, because all was created by god.
I ask them well.. gee you guys seem to be certain about this whole "God" thing how are you so ceartin exactly ?

Their answer: Because you can't disprove it ! because we're spiritual and in connection with God and you're just a scientific/materialistic idiot.
Quote:Monotheistic god worship and belief is a DEEPLY seeded delusion that is next to impossible to reason somebody out of if they aren't already questioning it themselves
Well the funny thing is that often you'll see how Christians mock hinduism for having "Too many Gods' When they fail to understand the irony that having only one God is a logical paradox.
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21-11-2013, 05:57 PM
RE: The Concept of God VS Simple Logic and Common sense
A "regular" Christian's responses are easy to invalidate in my experience.

When you talk to an actual apologist, or somebody who has a degree in theology, the crap that comes out of their mouth is absolutely ridiculous, and specifically tailored to be hard to refute. They don't give the standard silly Christian responses of "you can't disprove it!" and such.

Of course it is all building on a presupposition usually, but if they hold to it as if that is the only way life makes sense, it does not make for a pleasant or productive conversation.
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21-11-2013, 05:58 PM
RE: The Concept of God VS Simple Logic and Common sense
I agree that polytheism is slightly less ridiculous than monotheism.
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21-11-2013, 06:03 PM
RE: The Concept of God VS Simple Logic and Common sense
Common sense is a simple, logical solution to a problem. Just because the same problems don't exist everywhere doesn't mean that the ones that do exist don't have a common sense solution.

I like common sense. Many intellectual arguments can be boiled down to common sense and in that form, be understood by most anyone.

Common sense is logic kept simple.

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22-11-2013, 10:02 AM
RE: The Concept of God VS Simple Logic and Common sense
(21-11-2013 05:57 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  A "regular" Christian's responses are easy to invalidate in my experience.

When you talk to an actual apologist, or somebody who has a degree in theology, the crap that comes out of their mouth is absolutely ridiculous, and specifically tailored to be hard to refute. They don't give the standard silly Christian responses of "you can't disprove it!" and such.

Of course it is all building on a presupposition usually, but if they hold to it as if that is the only way life makes sense, it does not make for a pleasant or productive conversation.

Agreed. I rely more on the idea of intellectual honesty as opposed to "common sense" when discussing how ridiculous these supernatural claims are.
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