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05-11-2012, 12:03 AM
The Concept of a Postmortem Preservation of Identity is Inconceivable.
(04-11-2012 02:23 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(04-11-2012 01:58 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  got it, but the proteins CHANGE the way, permanently, the way the genes CAN be expressed, and are expressed.

As just some goober programmer, I clearly ain't qualified to comment on that, but it sure as shit sounds provocative to me. Think by implication it means I could take a single dose or course of some script and be free of the diabetes forever. Sounds provocative to me. ... Don't mean I ain't hoping for it. Big Grin

Try DMT or ahayuasca. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca
It's been said an ahayuasca trip can cure addictions. Not sure if there's anything more than anecdotal evidence, but it's interesting to ponder if there's a mechanism that could affect DNA. Consider

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05-11-2012, 12:15 AM
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(05-11-2012 12:03 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  
(04-11-2012 02:23 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  As just some goober programmer, I clearly ain't qualified to comment on that, but it sure as shit sounds provocative to me. Think by implication it means I could take a single dose or course of some script and be free of the diabetes forever. Sounds provocative to me. ... Don't mean I ain't hoping for it. Big Grin

Try DMT or ahayuasca. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca
It's been said an ahayuasca trip can cure addictions. Not sure if there's anything more than anecdotal evidence, but it's interesting to ponder if there's a mechanism that could affect DNA. Consider
That's interesting. I'm sure a study would never get past an IRB, but it sure looks like something is actively making some sort of permanent change, somewhere. Cool.

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05-11-2012, 12:22 AM
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(02-11-2012 10:47 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Actually most porn is SO gross, it's enough to make a monk or nun out of anyone.


Really? How much porn have you watched? Some of it is quite sickening, however some of it can give one ideas for bed.
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05-11-2012, 12:25 AM
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(05-11-2012 12:22 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  
(02-11-2012 10:47 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Actually most porn is SO gross, it's enough to make a monk or nun out of anyone.


Really? How much porn have you watched? Some of it is quite sickening, however some of it can give one ideas for bed.
Enough. And I can cook up enough ideas of my own, thank-you-very-much.
My motto is : "why watch it, when you can do it ?" Tongue

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05-11-2012, 12:26 AM
The Concept of a Postmortem Preservation of Identity is Inconceivable.
(05-11-2012 12:25 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  [quote='Birdguy1979' pid='197832' dateline='1352096533']


Really? How much porn have you watched? Some of it is quite sickening, however some of it can give one ideas for bed.

Bucky's just saying that cuz most porn involves women. He's just looking at the wrong porn for his orientation. Big Grin

But then again, I find that kind of porn gross, so the kid may have a point. Consider

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05-11-2012, 12:26 AM
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(05-11-2012 12:25 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  
(05-11-2012 12:22 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  Really? How much porn have you watched? Some of it is quite sickening, however some of it can give one ideas for bed.

Bucky's just saying that cuz most porn involves women. He's just looking at the wrong porn for his orientation. Big Grin
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05-11-2012, 12:27 AM
The Concept of a Postmortem Preservation of Identity is Inconceivable.
(05-11-2012 12:25 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(05-11-2012 12:22 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  Really? How much porn have you watched? Some of it is quite sickening, however some of it can give one ideas for bed.
Enough. And I can cook up enough ideas of my own, thank-you-very-much.
My motto is : "why watch it, when you can do it ?" Tongue

Which is exactly why I watch it. Tongue

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05-11-2012, 04:08 AM (This post was last modified: 05-11-2012 01:03 PM by Humakt.)
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(02-11-2012 09:53 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(02-11-2012 09:11 PM)Chas Wrote:  That's what I mean by not supportable. By conceivable, I mean imaginable.
Just crafting the words, not disagreeing. Drinking Beverage

But I can't even imagine it.
Sure you can, havent you seen Heaven can wait, or a million other ghost/angel/what have you movies. Like Chas says, conceiving/imaging it is not the issue. Believing it in a non fictional/litary sense is.

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05-11-2012, 06:20 AM
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I disagree with the idea that it is inconceivable. Think way back to when Jules Verne wrote 20,000 leagues under the sea. It was not at the time even close to possible to build a submarine that could stay down for months or years at a time. We now have subs that can stay under for at least a decade if they carry enough food to sustain the crew. Only 20 years ago maybe less, it was not possible to identify if the brain of an individual being questioned recognised something or someone. We understand more about the brain every day. All we need in theory is something that can take the place of the brain. Who knows, maybe life will be about working every day until you die and either right after death or just before getting downloaded into a computer for an afterlife of your choosing. I have always seen the brain as just a highly sophisticated computer. All we need to do is figure out the code and we should be easily able to transfer things from the brain to a computer and maybe someday from a computer to a brain.
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05-11-2012, 06:25 AM
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(05-11-2012 06:20 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  I disagree with the idea that it is inconceivable. Think way back to when Jules Verne wrote 20,000 leagues under the sea. It was not at the time even close to possible to build a submarine that could stay down for months or years at a time. We now have subs that can stay under for at least a decade if they carry enough food to sustain the crew. Only 20 years ago maybe less, it was not possible to identify if the brain of an individual being questioned recognised something or someone. We understand more about the brain every day. All we need in theory is something that can take the place of the brain. Who knows, maybe life will be about working every day until you die and either right after death or just before getting downloaded into a computer for an afterlife of your choosing. I have always seen the brain as just a highly sophisticated computer. All we need to do is figure out the code and we should be easily able to transfer things from the brain to a computer and maybe someday from a computer to a brain.
I think we're talking about different things. Girly was talking about the 100% biologically based post-mortem survival, as proposed by religions. (I assume). I agree 100% with you that at some point, brains will be mapped and "saved" somehow. Kurzweil thinks it's sooner than later. I'm not sure. I suspect there will be attempts at it in the next 50-100 years.

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