"The Conjuring 2" and fraud
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19-06-2016, 05:46 PM
"The Conjuring 2" and fraud
I read somewhere that Seth Andrews was planning to see "The Conjuring 2," aficionado of horror movies that he is.

Like Seth, i thought the first "Conjuring" movie was pretty good, and an improvement on torture-porn and endless bad sequelitis in horror movies. I found "2" to also be entertaining, well-made and well-acted, though I couldn't help tallying plot holes.

But here's the goddamn thing: Why do these moviemakers persist in the ruse that their horror movies (ditto for authors/books) are "based on a true story"? Ed and Lorraine Warren — who, by the way, are identified (super briefly!) in the credits of "2" as "characters created by..." — are bona fide frauds, and their now-legion movie cases have all, without exception, been thoroughly debunked. At the end of "2" the producers even append a note reminding departing audiences that the case was "one of the most documented in paranormal history" blah-the-fuck-blah.

Why not just say, "Yo, we made a movie we hope you find spooky" and leave the fucking "true story" out of it?

Also, it seems that Lorraine Warren was a consultant on "2" (and perhaps the first one?), so I assume that in buying a ticket I put money in her fraudulent old-lady pocket.

Maybe I should have put this in the "rants" section.

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19-06-2016, 05:48 PM
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Because it's a scary movie and it adds to the scare factor.
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19-06-2016, 05:51 PM
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(19-06-2016 05:48 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Because it's a scary movie and it adds to the scare factor.

Except it doesn't. I mean, William Peter Blatty talked about the bogus 1949 "possession" case that inspired him to write "The Exorcist," which he also scripted for the 1973 movie. But the movie didn't claim to be "based on a true story" - still plenty scary, no?

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19-06-2016, 05:51 PM
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(19-06-2016 05:48 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Because it's a scary movie and it adds to the scare factor.

This is NOT a true story????? GaspGaspGasp




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19-06-2016, 06:08 PM
"The Conjuring 2" and fraud
Nobody can prove that it wasn't true.
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19-06-2016, 06:51 PM
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We left before the end of "Conjuring 2".
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19-06-2016, 07:02 PM
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(19-06-2016 05:46 PM)claywise Wrote:  I read somewhere that Seth Andrews was planning to see "The Conjuring 2," aficionado of horror movies that he is.

Like Seth, i thought the first "Conjuring" movie was pretty good, and an improvement on torture-porn and endless bad sequelitis in horror movies. I found "2" to also be entertaining, well-made and well-acted, though I couldn't help tallying plot holes.

But here's the goddamn thing: Why do these moviemakers persist in the ruse that their horror movies (ditto for authors/books) are "based on a true story"? Ed and Lorraine Warren — who, by the way, are identified (super briefly!) in the credits of "2" as "characters created by..." — are bona fide frauds, and their now-legion movie cases have all, without exception, been thoroughly debunked. At the end of "2" the producers even append a note reminding departing audiences that the case was "one of the most documented in paranormal history" blah-the-fuck-blah.

Why not just say, "Yo, we made a movie we hope you find spooky" and leave the fucking "true story" out of it?

Also, it seems that Lorraine Warren was a consultant on "2" (and perhaps the first one?), so I assume that in buying a ticket I put money in her fraudulent old-lady pocket.

Maybe I should have put this in the "rants" section.

So if I understand you correctly, you are not too happy with a movie by a bunch of frauds that shows supernatural things that have no basis in reality? That is exactly how I felt while I watched "The Passion of the Christ."

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19-06-2016, 07:35 PM
RE: "The Conjuring 2" and fraud
Haven't seen it yet, but I plan to. I enjoyed the first one. But yeah... it's all obviously bullshit. I don't even need to research it (though I have a little) to know it's all bogus. But the thing is that the average movie-goer (AKA moron) isn't going to do any research, has no basic critical thinking skills, and will take the "based on a true story" tagline as fact. Adding to the scare factor. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre was the first horror movie I noticed that did this crap, and it works. Doesn't keep me from enjoying them though.
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20-06-2016, 05:19 AM
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(19-06-2016 07:35 PM)Dark Wanderer Wrote:  Haven't seen it yet, but I plan to. I enjoyed the first one. But yeah... it's all obviously bullshit. I don't even need to research it.

I go into a movie or novel like this with a clear understanding that it's fictional, fantasy, just a bit of fun. But for some reason, it irks me that the filmmakers have the temerity to push the "true story" angle.

I've even read a couple of articles about how the actors visited Lorraine Warren to hear her version of events.

Just a pet peeve, I guess. Then I got obsessed reading about precisely how foolish and fraudulent the Warrens really are/were (Ed's dead).

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20-06-2016, 05:25 AM
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(20-06-2016 05:19 AM)claywise Wrote:  (Ed's dead).
So he'll be in the next one?

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