The Cosmological Arguments Haven't Been Debunked
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07-02-2017, 02:14 PM
RE: The Cosmological Arguments Haven't Been Debunked
Hey kid.

Take the time to watch this. Then get back to us.




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07-02-2017, 02:16 PM
RE: The Cosmological Arguments Haven't Been Debunked
(07-02-2017 01:46 PM)Naielis Wrote:  You have to be able to justify the reliability of your senses if your entire worldview relies upon that reliability.

No I don't. Why should I have to do that? When offered a choice between completeness and consistency which do you choose?

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07-02-2017, 02:16 PM
RE: The Cosmological Arguments Haven't Been Debunked
(07-02-2017 02:02 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 01:57 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  Your arguments are wrong, Naielis.

You cannot get around this.

Why are they wrong? is the question. I would argue that they are valid but unsound. The rules of inference are used properly but the premises are neither self-evident nor incontrovertible. In fact they're rather silly. This is where a lot of theistic arguments find themselves confused, they mistake validity for soundness. Validity is just a matter of proper syntax and being grammatically correct. Doesn't say anything about whether the premises are consistent with observation or not.

I understand the difference between the validity of an argument and the truth of conclusion. But I'm not convinced that the premises are silly.

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07-02-2017, 02:18 PM
RE: The Cosmological Arguments Haven't Been Debunked
(07-02-2017 02:16 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 01:46 PM)Naielis Wrote:  You have to be able to justify the reliability of your senses if your entire worldview relies upon that reliability.

No I don't. Why should I have to do that? When offered a choice between completeness and consistency which do you choose?

So you think there are instances in which we can make assumptions for the sake of consistency? I don't see how having completeness implies a lack of consistency.

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07-02-2017, 02:19 PM
RE: The Cosmological Arguments Haven't Been Debunked
(07-02-2017 02:14 PM)Banjo Wrote:  Hey kid.

Take the time to watch this. Then get back to us.




Already seen it.

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07-02-2017, 02:19 PM
RE: The Cosmological Arguments Haven't Been Debunked
At work.

(07-02-2017 02:12 PM)Naielis Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 02:10 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  I'm feeling very much ignored over here.

Sorry I'm at school right now and I'm trying to type out full responses to your posts. I like that you are willing to engage the arguments more than some others.

HA! At work.

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07-02-2017, 02:23 PM (This post was last modified: 07-02-2017 02:27 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: The Cosmological Arguments Haven't Been Debunked
(07-02-2017 02:18 PM)Naielis Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 02:16 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  No I don't. Why should I have to do that? When offered a choice between completeness and consistency which do you choose?

So you think there are instances in which we can make assumptions for the sake of consistency?

I do it all the time. I think we all do. i think we have to. If we didn't we'd all be catatonic like a deer caught in the headlights.

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07-02-2017, 02:24 PM
RE: The Cosmological Arguments Haven't Been Debunked
At work.

(07-02-2017 02:19 PM)Naielis Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 02:14 PM)Banjo Wrote:  Hey kid.

Take the time to watch this. Then get back to us.




Already seen it.

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So, when time permits, your thoughts on above?

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07-02-2017, 02:24 PM
RE: The Cosmological Arguments Haven't Been Debunked
(07-02-2017 02:19 PM)Naielis Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 02:14 PM)Banjo Wrote:  Hey kid.

Take the time to watch this. Then get back to us.




Already seen it.

Watch it again and again until you understand.

I am serious. As a professional musician I have had to study music I did not understand or even like. However with time, I got both.

I am not judging you. You are young and there is much to learn. However, the cosmological argument is long out of date. Notice it does not even attempt to show which god it represents?

One may as well talk about Zeus' daddy issues.

This thread is a total waste of time.

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07-02-2017, 02:25 PM
RE: The Cosmological Arguments Haven't Been Debunked
(07-02-2017 02:23 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 02:18 PM)Naielis Wrote:  So you think there are instances in which we can make assumptions for the sake of consistency?

I do it all the time. I think we all do.

I agree, but do you think there is a way in which we can justify our senses? And if not, do you think we can justify our lack of justification. In other words, does every belief require justification? It seems this is relevant because this trust in our senses is foundational to almost every worldview.

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