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20-11-2016, 08:45 AM
RE: The Creator and His Creation
(20-11-2016 06:15 AM)theBorg Wrote:  We do not decide what is right, the True God decides.
The Building has builder, the Creation has Creator.

Elements of reality were: water, fire, earth. They had properties, but had unknown nature.
Now elements are elementary particles. They also have properties, but they have unknown nature.

The Principle of In-distinguish-ability of the particles is proven experimentally, and therefore, the deformations within an elementary particle do propagate with infinite velocity. Otherwise the deformations will make the particles distinguishable, which is not possible. But the Infinite property is making the elementar particles unphysical.

Do you follow?

What to do? We can only confirm that the elementary particles are elements of reality. They must be "taken as a given".

Big Grin

.... so, let's see.

You start off with the watchmaker argument, without even doing the normal expansion upon its points, and certainly without addressing any of the myriad flaws in its deranged logic.

Then you post the worst... okay, probably only about 5th-worst... example of shit-wrong Aristotelian Physics, completely ignoring WHY it was so shit-wrong. For the record, Aristotle's approach to everything was to ignore the senses (and all empirical evidence) and concentrate on what he could discern from pure reason, on the basis that his senses could be fallible. He ignored the fact that his reason could also be fallible... and also that his premises were based on the experience of his senses, or just pulled from his ass. He then proceeded with deranged logic much akin to the watchmaker argument to produce conclusions that were easilly demonstrated to be wrong.

Then an even-more-woefully-wrong religion went on and preserved Aristotelian thought as doctrine for over a millennium, because fuck fact-checking if it sounds cool and supports our faith. Which, in itself, is enough to show that the faith's logic is deranged.

You then proceed to try to discuss advanced particle physics in a manner that you have proven yourself woefully unqualified for, both in your comprehension of scientific material and in your ignorance of proper scientific method. You seem to be basing your argument on the perplexing assumption that faster-than-light propagation of physical effects such as quantum entanglement or, in this case, some property of particle physics, must necessarily imply the existence of your god. You do this with the inexplicable optimism that we will accept you on the subject, and that we will agree with your utterly unsupported and wholly unverifiable primary implication.

You then pat yourself on the back as if you think you accomplished something.

This is why Christianity is dying. This is why it's losing. It's because people like you are so out of touch with reality, so in love with malformed epistemology, so deluded in your notions of what counts as good logic, that you don't even recognize the difference between winning and losing. It's hard to formulate a workable strategy when you can't even distinguish between a successful by-the-numbers operation and a FUBARed Charlie-Foxtrot.

In other words, the perversity of Christianity is ultimately self-defeating.
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20-11-2016, 08:52 AM
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I've seen that movie.

Don't let those gnomes and their illusions get you down. They're just gnomes and illusions.

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20-11-2016, 01:14 PM
RE: The Creator and His Creation
(20-11-2016 06:15 AM)theBorg Wrote:  We do not decide what is right, the True God decides.

Then how do you know your "true god" is right?
If you can't decide what is right from wrong how would you know your "true god" it right?

(20-11-2016 06:15 AM)theBorg Wrote:  The Building has builder, the Creation has Creator.

If every creation have a creator, and every building has a builder. then what made your "true god"?

Your answer would be "He always was." Or "He doesn't need one."

So in your mind you have already thought of something that was created, that didn't have a creator. So it's not unorthodox to think of things occurring that don't fall into this mind set that you've created for yourself.

(20-11-2016 06:15 AM)theBorg Wrote:  Elements of reality were: water, fire, earth.

...wind, heart!





Don't be confused on what was thought to be, and what was and is.

They were never elements of reality. They were "elements" of alchemy.

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(20-11-2016 06:15 AM)theBorg Wrote:  They had properties, but had unknown nature.
Now elements are elementary particles. They also have properties, but they have unknown nature.

Do they?





(20-11-2016 06:15 AM)theBorg Wrote:  The Principle of In-distinguish-ability of the particles is proven experimentally, and therefore, the deformations within an elementary particle do propagate with infinite velocity. Otherwise the deformations will make the particles distinguishable, which is not possible. But the Infinite property is making the elementar particles unphysical.

Do you follow?

Your English is getting better (sort of).

In layman's terms you are saying.

People are still figuring out particles like atoms and molecules. They found the more changes that happen to things like electrons, they speed up. And when they speed up they become intangible. But when they aren't speed up they are just like anything else.

Would my rewording seem like it is in the ball park?

What dose this have to do with your opening statement?

(20-11-2016 06:15 AM)theBorg Wrote:  What to do? We can only confirm that the elementary particles are elements of reality. They must be "taken as a given".

Big Grin

... okay?

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20-11-2016, 02:22 PM
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I thought that this boil had been lanced. Huh

Oh, and

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20-11-2016, 02:30 PM
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(20-11-2016 08:52 AM)Old Man Marsh Wrote:  

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I've seen that movie.

Well, well, well, theBug is back, I see.

Anyway, I like this Frankenstein monster scene a little better.....Big Grin




Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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20-11-2016, 02:36 PM
The Creator and His Creation
How do you even discover if there is a right?

"Allow there to be a spectrum in all that you see" - Neil Degrasse Tyson
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20-11-2016, 03:07 PM
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(20-11-2016 02:36 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  How do you even discover if there is a right?
If there's a left, a right can't be far away.

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20-11-2016, 03:35 PM
RE: The Creator and His Creation
(20-11-2016 06:15 AM)theBorg Wrote:  We do not decide what is right, the True God decides.
The Building has builder, the Creation has Creator.

Elements of reality were: water, fire, earth. They had properties, but had unknown nature.
Now elements are elementary particles. They also have properties, but they have unknown nature.

The Principle of In-distinguish-ability of the particles is proven experimentally, and therefore, the deformations within an elementary particle do propagate with infinite velocity. Otherwise the deformations will make the particles distinguishable, which is not possible. But the Infinite property is making the elementar particles unphysical.

Do you follow?

What to do? We can only confirm that the elementary particles are elements of reality. They must be "taken as a given".

Big Grin

Water is H20. Explain how 'water' existed before elementary particles. Laughat
Oh well. So much for THAT stupidity.
Try harder next time.

BTW, the creator is not a "him" no mores. He had his dick chopped off.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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20-11-2016, 04:09 PM
RE: The Creator and His Creation
(20-11-2016 06:15 AM)theBorg Wrote:  We do not decide what is right, the True God decides.
The Building has builder, the Creation has Creator.

Elements of reality were: water, fire, earth. They had properties, but had unknown nature.
Now elements are elementary particles. They also have properties, but they have unknown nature.

The Principle of In-distinguish-ability of the particles is proven experimentally, and therefore, the deformations within an elementary particle do propagate with infinite velocity. Otherwise the deformations will make the particles distinguishable, which is not possible. But the Infinite property is making the elementar particles unphysical.

Do you follow?

What to do? We can only confirm that the elementary particles are elements of reality. They must be "taken as a given".

Big Grin

Oh, for christ's sakes! Am I going to be forced to give you another negative rating? Geesh!

And this shit.........V V

(20-11-2016 06:15 AM)theBorg Wrote:  The Building has builder, the Creation has Creator.

Many people have been over this subject ad nauseam with you. If you haven't learned anything from the incredibly knowledgeable and intelligent people on this forum then your brain doesn't function well enough to learn new things.

So just stop posting the same shit over and over again!!!!

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Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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20-11-2016, 05:57 PM
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Raw materials existing long before the builder is born, are processed into building materials.
The building was built by a builder using those building materials.
The builder was born from his parents.
His parents were born from their parents.
...jump backwards a few billion years.

Chemicals interacted with each other forming protein chains that could replicate.
Those chemicals came from stars that exploded.
Those stars came from gases & gravity (and much more. Trying to keep it simple for simple folk)

Observed expansion of the universe can plot us a course back in time to when the energy of the universe is difficult to describe.

Basically, a builder needs a universe to reside in before the building can be built.

Creation gives rise to creators, not the other way around.
Nature is always the first requirement before intelligence can come to light.

Insanity - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
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