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10-09-2012, 06:22 PM
The Democrats’ GM Fiction
From National Review Online:

"The Democrats have decided to run in 2012 as the bailout party. It is an odd choice — the 2008–09 bailouts were deeply unpopular among the general public, and even their backers were notably conflicted about the precedent being set and the ensuing moral hazard. But Democrats have nonetheless made one of the most abusive episodes in the entire bailout era their economic cornerstone: the government takeover of General Motors."

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/3...on-editors
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11-09-2012, 11:01 AM
RE: The Democrats’ GM Fiction
I don't know, and it's not by the article you posted, but you might have something here.

I just can't understand why you keep using articles that are clearly by people who are complete idiots, only dedicated to their right wing views, to partisanship, to polarization, often extremism (just to be extreme), plus to putting spin on and spewing out shit in ever situation.

Disagreeing fundamentally about what kind of society/country we want to live in is one thing (it's something you can talk and debate about), but applying that fundamental disagreement to every situation as complete bullshit spin to support yourself on ever issue is idiotic and annoying. That whole article you posted, as with most of the articles you've been linking recently, is like half bullshit, rhetorical spin and the rest a right-wing, partisan perspective on the issue.

The thing is that we know the right doesn't like using our money even to help our people, we know they hate unions, we know they could care less about workers rights, workers having jobs, workers having wages they can live off of and support families on, we know they hate Obama and Democrats and want to paint them negatively regardless of circumstances, we know they like each other and want to paint each other positively as long as it benefits their party, we know they care more for the rich and powerful than for America in general, and we know, because of all this, they would allow groups of people, who aren't even competent enough to take out the garbage, to run our greatest companies, or our biggest financial institutions, into the fucking ground, see it as okay, and then allow the incompetency and carelessness of a few to impact and devastate the majority.

It would have been nice just to cut the bullshit and just make the case for what kind of country/society you want to live in, but even without doing that, it would have been nice to, at least, reference someone who actually gave a shit about the real problems instead of rhetorical nonsense, or at least who could have put it a lot more eloquently.

GM does have problems, thus the bailout has problems. You could even argue against the way Democrats attack Romney as being harsh, unfair and bias, or the way they praise Obama as being over the top. You do have to look at real issues though, and focus on being constructive.

Here is a response article that criticizes one bashing Obama and GM; it also offers a list of pro/cons:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/...al-motors/

Here is the OP-ED the above article responded to:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhil...tcy-again/

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11-09-2012, 12:04 PM
RE: The Democrats’ GM Fiction
TrulyX,

The article you posted discusses GM today and going forward. The article I posted discusses the wisdom of the GM bailouts from 2008-2009. But they do both discuss GM, which appears to have been the depth of your imbecilic analysis.

I've posted articles on different topics of interest in this election cycle. The sources were National Review Online, RealClearPolitics, ABC News, The Washington Post, FoxNews and Forbes. Collectively they represent a wide spectrum of the mainstream political journals, yet you characterize them all as "people who are complete idiots, only dedicated to their right wing views, to partisanship, to polarization, often extremism (just to be extreme), plus to putting spin on and spewing out shit in ever situation."

You have shown yourself to be shallow, extreme and partisan.
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11-09-2012, 02:58 PM
RE: The Democrats’ GM Fiction
(11-09-2012 12:04 PM)Jeff Wrote:  I've posted articles on different topics of interest in this election cycle. The sources were National Review Online, RealClearPolitics, ABC News, The Washington Post, FoxNews and Forbes. Collectively they represent a wide spectrum of the mainstream political journals, yet you characterize them all as "people who are complete idiots, only dedicated to their right wing views, to partisanship, to polarization, often extremism (just to be extreme), plus to putting spin on and spewing out shit in ever situation."
Because Fox News is the most politically unbiased source you could think of, right? Drinking Beverage

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11-09-2012, 04:20 PM (This post was last modified: 11-09-2012 04:25 PM by TrulyX.)
RE: The Democrats’ GM Fiction
(11-09-2012 12:04 PM)Jeff Wrote:  TrulyX,

The article you posted discusses GM today and going forward. The article I posted discusses the wisdom of the GM bailouts from 2008-2009. But they do both discuss GM, which appears to have been the depth of your imbecilic analysis.

My article discussed meaningful and substantive problems that GM is facing, and can raise a discussion on GM and what has to happen to make us bailing them out a good deal money wise.

Yours was an ideological, partisan rant by a guy who just fundamentally disagreed with the bailout, solely for ideological reasons.

You can have a discussion on ideology and what type of country/society you want to live in (that's one apart from GM), or you can have a substantive discussion about the problems GM is having right now that can lead to future problems with the bailout.

What you did was made what could have been a meaningful discussion into a partisan, political attack.

Quote:I've posted articles on different topics of interest in this election cycle. The sources were National Review Online, RealClearPolitics, ABC News, The Washington Post, FoxNews and Forbes. Collectively they represent a wide spectrum of the mainstream political journals

They say if you keep telling yourself something over and over, you'll start believe it.

Either you've already succeeded, or you should get to work. It'll take you a while to be convinced of that load of BS.

Quote:You have shown yourself to be shallow, extreme and partisan.

Ditto.

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