The Ecumenical Councils and Creeds and the Trinity
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08-03-2013, 08:22 PM
RE: The Ecumenical Councils and Creeds and the Trinity
(08-03-2013 08:19 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 08:15 PM)mrbuddy4413 Wrote:  Yes, early demise was uncommon in those days.
Do you mean not uncommon?
To imply he was murdered is a significant jump to conclusions. That's what I mean.
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08-03-2013, 08:32 PM
RE: The Ecumenical Councils and Creeds and the Trinity
(08-03-2013 08:22 PM)mrbuddy4413 Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 08:19 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Do you mean not uncommon?
To imply he was murdered is a significant jump to conclusions. That's what I mean.

Then write to these guys see if they agree...

Many Nicene Christians asserted that Arius's death was miraculous—a consequence of his heretical views. Several recent writers have speculated that Arius may have been poisoned by his opponents.[24][25][26]
Gibbon, Edward (2012). The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. CreateSpace. ISBN 1-4700-6709-9.
Kirsch, Jonathan (2005). God Against the Gods. New York: Penguin Compass. ISBN 0-14-219633-9.
Freeman, Charles (2005). The Closing of the Western Mind (1st Vintage Books ed.). New York: Vintage Books. ISBN 1-4000-3380-2.[font=sans-serif]
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08-03-2013, 08:44 PM
RE: The Ecumenical Councils and Creeds and the Trinity
(08-03-2013 08:32 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 08:22 PM)mrbuddy4413 Wrote:  To imply he was murdered is a significant jump to conclusions. That's what I mean.

Then write to these guys see if they agree...

Many Nicene Christians asserted that Arius's death was miraculous—a consequence of his heretical views. Several recent writers have speculated that Arius may have been poisoned by his opponents.[24][25][26]
Gibbon, Edward (2012). The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. CreateSpace. ISBN 1-4700-6709-9.
Kirsch, Jonathan (2005). God Against the Gods. New York: Penguin Compass. ISBN 0-14-219633-9.
Freeman, Charles (2005). The Closing of the Western Mind (1st Vintage Books ed.). New York: Vintage Books. ISBN 1-4000-3380-2.[font=sans-serif][/font]
Just pointing out the obvious. When talking speculation of events thousands of years ago anything is fair game. I could speculate he went into hiding and the death was faked. I don't see a difference really.
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08-03-2013, 09:16 PM
RE: The Ecumenical Councils and Creeds and the Trinity
(08-03-2013 07:05 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  Hey ...thanks for doing this. I learned a lot. Interesting how Constantinople was in charge in the 4th century (not Rome, like the Vatican claims.) I'll just add a few weeny points...and a few links for anyone interested....

Oh my dear lord, BuddyChrist, you've unleashed the Bible Nerds. Have you no sense man. ... nah, I'm just teasing

I am us and we is me. ... bitches.
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