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19-12-2016, 11:21 AM
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Trump made the totally baseless claim that millions of illegals voted.

Meanwhile, the intelligence agencies agree that there has been tampering with the election, by the Russians.

A good number of electors have asked to see these reports and were denied.

This will not be over for some time.

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19-12-2016, 11:27 AM
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There was a real difference between Trump declaring he would not accept the results of a "rigged" election, with no evidence, before it happened. THAT was unprecedented and unpatriotic. If there are actual demonstrable REASONS to question the result, it is not the same thing AT ALL, from what Dumster did. There is no evidence that actual ballot boxes were tampered with. Comey interfered with the election process, and should be fired, and indeed the Russians in collusion with or by hacking Wikileaks repeatedly released emails about Clinton in the last few weeks leading up to the election. Nothing vs something. It's not the same. Pretending it is the same, is bullshit.

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19-12-2016, 11:39 AM
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(19-12-2016 11:21 AM)Dom Wrote:  Trump made the totally baseless claim that millions of illegals voted.

Meanwhile, the intelligence agencies agree that there has been tampering with the election, by the Russians.

A good number of electors have asked to see these reports and were denied.

This will not be over for some time.

First point...yeah, Trump should put forth actual evidence or shut up on that topic. Claims like that are the reason there are concerns about him in the first place.

Second point. I do not think there has been any credible claim anywhere that the Russians tampered with the election if we look only narrowly at actual voting--they did not interfere in any way with someone's legal right to vote or the accuracy of the count of those votes. I do not consider stealing private information and releasing it to the public "tampering with the election". I consider that unwelcome meddling (meddling that we all had sufficient evidence to suspect was the Russians BEFORE the election). However nobody who was hacked has suggested that the information released was untrue, fabricated, or misleading. If it were anyone other than the Russians, or if the GOP information were selectively leaked, the leakers would be called journalists and awarded Pulitzer prizes for their investigative reporting.

Third point. I'm not sure the wisdom of granting electors access to classified information. They were not selected for their ability to receive clearance.

Finally, this will go on for however long Trump is president, but then only on the left. Most Americans will just go back to ignoring politics until the next election.



What I am seeing now among my friends on the left reminds me of the unhinged conspiracy crap I saw on the right for 8 years of Obama. True, Trump throws up a lot more fodder, but conservatives were tired of being called everything that Trump actually is, so I think they thought to themselves "fuck this, they want to call us racist assholes, well, we'll give them a racist asshole". In return, next election, the Dems should nominate a Kenyan socialist Smile .
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19-12-2016, 11:42 AM
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It's early in the day on Monday the 20th but I predict there may be one or two changes in the Electoral College votes and nothing more. I hope I'm wrong. I hope there will be many who change their vote but I'm pretty doubtful.

However, the Electoral College is so set in stone and it's such a rare event that an Elector changes their vote that even if a couple of Electors become "faithless" it will be something of note.

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19-12-2016, 11:55 AM
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(19-12-2016 11:21 AM)Dom Wrote:  Trump made the totally baseless claim that millions of illegals voted.

Meanwhile, the intelligence agencies agree that there has been tampering with the election, by the Russians.

A good number of electors have asked to see these reports and were denied.

This will not be over for some time.

There was someone on CNN yesterday saying this won't be over for a LONG time, and will be bigger than Watergate.

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19-12-2016, 12:26 PM
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Apparently there are going to be faithless electors on both sides. So far we have one Republican elector from Texas vowing to vote for another candidate (potentially John Kasich) and one Democratic elector from Maine vowing to vote for Bernie Sanders.

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19-12-2016, 12:39 PM
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(19-12-2016 12:26 PM)Vosur Wrote:  Apparently there are going to be faithless electors on both sides. So far we have one Republican elector from Texas vowing to vote for another candidate (potentially John Kasich) and one Democratic elector from Maine vowing to vote for Bernie Sanders.

Can they do that? I thought it had to be people who were on the winning presidential/vice presidential tickets?

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19-12-2016, 01:37 PM
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What the hell is a "faithless" elector ?
What a totally idiotic term.
Voting one's conscience is not "faithless". In fact, it's probably the most "faithful" to the Constitution thing they could do.
Being a "rubber stamp" is not the function of an Elector, as envisioned by the founders. If it was, it could be done by an automated process.
If "faithful" means anything, voting for the winner of the popular vote would be "faithful". (It's not the Dumpstster).

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19-12-2016, 01:41 PM
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(19-12-2016 12:39 PM)morondog Wrote:  Can they do that? I thought it had to be people who were on the winning presidential/vice presidential tickets?
The Associated Press just reported that a Democratic elector from Maine did in fact cast his vote for Bernie Sanders so it seems like they are able to do it.

Edit: Current vote count according to AJC: "Donald Trump has 224 votes; Hillary Clinton has 103 votes. There are 211 votes pending."

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19-12-2016, 01:43 PM
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(19-12-2016 01:37 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  What the hell is a "faithless" elector ?
What a totally idiotic term.
Voting one's conscience is not "faithless". In fact, it's probably the most "faithful" to the Constitution thing they could do.
Being a "rubber stamp" is not the function of an Elector, as envisioned by the founders. If it was, it could be done by an automated process.
If "faithful" means anything, voting for the winner of the popular vote would be "faithful". (It's not the Dumpstster).

To be fair, Vosur didn't coin the phrase "faithless elector". That seems to be a standard way to refer to electors who don't vote in line with the mandate of their state. I've seen the phrase in many places. It does seem to be a bit loaded, though.
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