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24-02-2012, 02:43 PM
RE: The Elites of the forum are conspiring against Ron Paul and my freedom of speech.
(24-02-2012 02:29 PM)kineo Wrote:  
(24-02-2012 02:27 PM)Observer Wrote:  Oh yeah...

I'm so totally afraid of revolution in a country far-far away...

LoL...
No... serious. If he starts to mingle with internal politics in Europe like the Bush administration did, I'm going to demand my right to vote as well...

I think Ron Paul's policy is to focus on our nation and stop mingling in the business of others'.

BINGO! The idea that we will create far less hate and animosity towards the West by removal of our police forces from all over the world and bases in countries that we continue to occupy. That is what RP's foreign policy is all about. Of course, he's gonna piss off a lot of 3rd world countries when he cuts foreign aid. Oh well. I'm sick and damned tired of the US paying allowances to nations that end up funneling funds to our enemies via arms and oil.

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24-02-2012, 02:45 PM
RE: The Elites of the forum are conspiring against Ron Paul and my freedom of speech.
Does he has a vision on environmental issues?

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24-02-2012, 02:49 PM
RE: The Elites of the forum are conspiring against Ron Paul and my freedom of speech.
(24-02-2012 02:31 PM)Observer Wrote:  
(24-02-2012 02:29 PM)kineo Wrote:  I think Ron Paul's policy is to focus on our nation and stop mingling in the business of others'.

He has my vote

If it weren't for his other policies, then I could get behind him, especially on this issue.
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24-02-2012, 02:50 PM
RE: The Elites of the forum are conspiring against Ron Paul and my freedom of speech.
(24-02-2012 02:49 PM)kineo Wrote:  
(24-02-2012 02:31 PM)Observer Wrote:  
(24-02-2012 02:29 PM)kineo Wrote:  I think Ron Paul's policy is to focus on our nation and stop mingling in the business of others'.

He has my vote

If it weren't for his other policies, then I could get behind him, especially on this issue.

What other issues?

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24-02-2012, 02:55 PM
RE: The Elites of the forum are conspiring against Ron Paul and my freedom of speech.
(24-02-2012 02:21 PM)lucradis Wrote:  Boy that chick is fucking dumb.

Getting a boyfriends name tattooed on yourself somewhere discreet is one thing... but some politician you probably don't even know? Way to fucking ruin boobs.

Why makes you think she doesn't know him? My guess is he's already cast his vote there and she's just recording the event. You know, like "George Washington slept here" or "Kilroy was here".

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24-02-2012, 02:57 PM
RE: The Elites of the forum are conspiring against Ron Paul and my freedom of speech.
(24-02-2012 02:45 PM)Observer Wrote:  Does he has a vision on environmental issues?

http://grist.org/politics/paul1/

Kind of an older article. Not my favorite of his policies but I'm willing to see if it'll work.

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24-02-2012, 03:09 PM
RE: The Elites of the forum are conspiring against Ron Paul and my freedom of speech.
(24-02-2012 02:57 PM)germanyt Wrote:  
(24-02-2012 02:45 PM)Observer Wrote:  Does he has a vision on environmental issues?

http://grist.org/politics/paul1/

Kind of an older article. Not my favorite of his policies but I'm willing to see if it'll work.

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hm...

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24-02-2012, 03:27 PM (This post was last modified: 24-02-2012 03:35 PM by germanyt.)
RE: The Elites of the forum are conspiring against Ron Paul and my freedom of speech.
(24-02-2012 03:09 PM)Observer Wrote:  
(24-02-2012 02:57 PM)germanyt Wrote:  
(24-02-2012 02:45 PM)Observer Wrote:  Does he has a vision on environmental issues?

http://grist.org/politics/paul1/

Kind of an older article. Not my favorite of his policies but I'm willing to see if it'll work.

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hm...

Basically, instead of the EPA policing and enforcing environmental laws written by Congress, individual states and property owners will enforce them via the court system. Most companies are onboard with protecting the environment but for those that aren't, under Ron Paul, if a company was to say, spill hazardous waste accidentally in a neighborhood, the local property owners can take legal action against it. If it happened on public property like an interstate then the state would take legal action. Congress would still write and pass environmental protection laws under direction of environmental advisors just as they do now.


All these laws would still exist.

Air
1955 - Air Pollution Control Act PL 84-159
1963 - Clean Air Act PL 88-206
1965 - Motor Vehicle Air Pollution Control Act PL 89-272
1966 - Clean Air Act Amendments PL 89-675
1967 - Air Quality Act PL 90-148
1969 - National Environmental Policy Act PL 91-190
1970 - Clean Air Act Extension PL 91-604
1976 - Toxic Substances Control Act PL 94-469
1977 - Clean Air Act Amendments PL 95-95
1990 - Clean Air Act Amendments PL 101-549
Water
1948 - Water Pollution Control Act PL 80-845
1965 - Water Quality Act PL 89-234
1966 - Clean Waters Restoration Act PL 89-753
1969 - National Environmental Policy Act PL 91-190
1970 - Water Quality Improvement Act PL 91-224
1972 - Federal Water Pollution Control Amendments of 1972 PL 92-500
1974 - Safe Drinking Water Act PL 93-523
1976 - Toxic Substances Control Act PL 94-469
1977 - Clean Water Act PL 95-217
1987 - Water Quality Act PL 100-4
1996 - Safe Drinking Water Act Amendments of 1996
Land
1947 - Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act
1964 - Wilderness Act PL 88-577
1968 - Scenic Rivers Preservation Act PL 90-542
1969 - National Environmental Policy Act PL 91-190
1970 - Wilderness Act PL 91-504
1977 - Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act PL 95-87
1978 - Wilderness Act PL 98-625
1980 - Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act PL 96-487
1994 - California Desert Protection Act PL 103-433
1996 - Food Quality Protection Act
2010 - California Desert Protection Act
Endangered species
1946 - Coordination Act PL 79-732
1966 - Endangered Species Preservation Act PL 89-669
1969 - Endangered Species Conservation Act PL 91-135
1972 - Marine Mammal Protection Act PL 92-522
1973 - Endangered Species Act PL 93-205
Hazardous waste
1965 - Solid Waste Disposal Act PL 89-272
1969 - National Environmental Policy Act PL 91-190
1970 - Resource Recovery Act PL 91-512
1976 - Resource Conservation and Recovery Act PL 94-580
1980 - Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act ("Superfund") PL 96-510
1982 - Nuclear Waste Repository Act PL 97-425
1984 - Hazardous and Solid Wastes Amendments Act PL 98-616
1986 - Superfund Amendments and Reauthorization Act PL 99-499
2002 - Small Business Liability Relief and Brownfields Revitalization Act ("Brownfields Law") PL 107-118


We just wouldn't have a psuedo police force comprised of nearly 20,000 people like the EPA enforcing it. States and people would.

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24-02-2012, 03:36 PM (This post was last modified: 24-02-2012 04:06 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: The Elites of the forum are conspiring against Ron Paul and my freedom of speech.
(24-02-2012 03:09 PM)Observer Wrote:  
(24-02-2012 02:57 PM)germanyt Wrote:  
(24-02-2012 02:45 PM)Observer Wrote:  Does he has a vision on environmental issues?

http://grist.org/politics/paul1/

Kind of an older article. Not my favorite of his policies but I'm willing to see if it'll work.

hm...

Nice read, skeptical dog. hmmm ... is my read, too. I vote for Ron Paul in the primary because it gives me a woodie to vote for a politician who is still principled. (My state has closed primaries so that woodie is the only reason I'm still a registered Republican.) I would never vote for him in the general and he'd be a disastrous President. He's principled all right, but his principles are stuck in the 19th century.

(24-02-2012 03:27 PM)germanyt Wrote:  Basically, instead of the EPA policing and enforcing environmental laws written by Congress, individual states and property owners will enforce them via the court system.

Yeah, since the individual States and property owners can afford better lawyers and all.

But we probably need to put the fire on the river out first before we start worrying about compensatory damages.
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24-02-2012, 03:42 PM
RE: The Elites of the forum are conspiring against Ron Paul and my freedom of speech.
http://grist.org/politics/paul1/

"who believes all public lands should be privately owned," uh, does RP really think that? If so that's one thing I strongly disagree on.

hmm..

Quote:Still, his libertarian presidency would, among other things, allow drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, boost the use of coal, and embrace nuclear power. Moreover, it wouldn’t do diddly about global warming because, Paul reasons, “we’re not going to be very good at regulating the weather.”

Quote:Let supply and demand make the decision. Let prices make the decision.

really? He wants to divide up the oceans into private also?

"nobody is permitted to pollute their neighbor’s private property — water, air, or land. It is very strict." well, that's good, but also sounds like more government. I like some of the ideas, but they sound like things we already have but don't enforce.

Oh, speaking of which.. isn't the president supposed to follow orders as executive branch and maybe give advice on law, but not really to make law? That isn't a crack on RP, rather on the entire process. They make promises, but only the legislation can really carry them out if they are laws to be made, so aren't they really promises that they aren't going to do their jobs and are going to do the jobs of other branches? Maybe there needs to be a discussion on this.

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