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22-06-2016, 08:34 AM
RE: The European Union UK Referendum
(22-06-2016 08:11 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  Hmmm...ok? Can you please inform @Mathilda that she doesn`t have to convert pounds to euros all the time.

What makes you think that you know that?

I do have to on a regular basis. I have to pay the utility bills on the house I share with my parents in Germany. There is no way that I can afford to buy a house in the UK and having one in Germany allows me to look for work all over Europe. I have to do that because there is no job stability in the UK. There will be even less in a Brexit.

And when I am living in Germany then I need to convert Euros into Pounds to pay off my debts from living in the UK.
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22-06-2016, 08:37 AM (This post was last modified: 22-06-2016 08:42 AM by adey67.)
RE: The European Union UK Referendum
(22-06-2016 08:28 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(22-06-2016 08:06 AM)adey67 Wrote:  You're kidding right ?

No one who moans about a European army ever actually comes out and explains why it's a bad thing. I would just like to hear the reasons rather than have it assumed to always be a bad thing with non-answers such as the one you gave.

How is it different to being in Nato where we have already started specialising? The UK doesn't actually have the means to properly defend its own borders for example.

If we had a European army then we wouldn't have gone to war in Iraq because a single sycophantic prime minister lied and manipulated everyone for example.
Because a European army means loss of sovereignty its also not going to work with shed loads of different nations all speaking different languages and even if they choose one language different linguistic abilities make operating an effective army difficult and increases the chance of friendly fire accidents and besides I don't fancy foreign armies being involved in trooping the colour. Its hard enough when UN forces work together to coordinate things smoothly also I think getting rid of Saddam Hussein was a good thing.
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22-06-2016, 08:43 AM
RE: The European Union UK Referendum
(22-06-2016 08:37 AM)adey67 Wrote:  Because a European army means loss of sovereignty its also not going to work with shed loads of different nations all speaking different languages and even if they choose one language different linguistic abilities make operating an effective army difficult and increases the chance of friendly fire accidents and besides I don't fancy foreign armies being involved in trooping the colour.


What an European army basically means that we're less likely to go to war. Which is a good thing. If there was a clear threat to Europe, such as from Russia, China or the US then I don't think different languages would stop Europe from defending itself. Besides, there have been many, many examples throughout history of armies from different counties with different languages becoming allies. And that was before English became the lingua franca and we could rely on technology to aid rapid and effective communication.

As for trooping the colour, fuck the queen and all her parasitic ilk.

Still haven't heard a good reason why a European army is a bad thing. It might stop the British from getting involved in every pointless fight around the world so that we can spend the money on ourselves instead.
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22-06-2016, 08:48 AM
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(22-06-2016 08:43 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(22-06-2016 08:37 AM)adey67 Wrote:  Because a European army means loss of sovereignty its also not going to work with shed loads of different nations all speaking different languages and even if they choose one language different linguistic abilities make operating an effective army difficult and increases the chance of friendly fire accidents and besides I don't fancy foreign armies being involved in trooping the colour.


What an European army basically means that we're less likely to go to war. Which is a good thing. If there was a clear threat to Europe, such as from Russia, China or the US then I don't think different languages would stop Europe from defending itself. Besides, there have been many, many examples throughout history of armies from different counties with different languages becoming allies. And that was before English became the lingua franca and we could rely on technology to aid rapid and effective communication.

As for trooping the colour, fuck the queen and all her parasitic ilk.

Still haven't heard a good reason why a European army is a bad thing. It might stop the British from getting involved in every pointless fight around the world so that we can spend the money on ourselves instead.
Ah you're a republican I am not and think a constitutional monarchy a good thing thousands of years of history and tradition
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22-06-2016, 08:49 AM
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(22-06-2016 08:34 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(22-06-2016 08:11 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  Hmmm...ok? Can you please inform @Mathilda that she doesn`t have to convert pounds to euros all the time.

What makes you think that you know that?

I do have to on a regular basis. I have to pay the utility bills on the house I share with my parents in Germany. There is no way that I can afford to buy a house in the UK and having one in Germany allows me to look for work all over Europe. I have to do that because there is no job stability in the UK. There will be even less in a Brexit.

And when I am living in Germany then I need to convert Euros into Pounds to pay off my debts from living in the UK.

You didn`t understand ,I know that you have to convert. My response was to unfogged who suggested that UK already adopted euro as their currency.
If that was the case you wouldn`t need to convert.

I am not sure based on what he made that suggestion, would like to hear from him about it.

Quote:There will be even less in a Brexit.
I would strongly disagree with that. i think it will be quite the opposite.

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22-06-2016, 08:53 AM
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(22-06-2016 08:48 AM)adey67 Wrote:  Ah you're a republican I am not and think a constitutional monarchy a good thing thousands of years of history and tradition

I see a system that has existed since the feudal times that has given the bare minimum of power to the people in order to stop them from revolting. I see an establishment based in London that only allows people born and raised in a certain class the best opportunities to rule over everyone else, and with that an unwarranted sense of entitlement.

Unlike every other country in the world, the UK hasn't been conquered and given the chance to become a modern democracy and fair society. The EU is a threat to the establishment that assume that they should rule over all of us because of who their parents are.

The empire no longer exists. It's time that the UK stopped living in the past.
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22-06-2016, 09:04 AM
RE: The European Union UK Referendum
(22-06-2016 08:53 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(22-06-2016 08:48 AM)adey67 Wrote:  Ah you're a republican I am not and think a constitutional monarchy a good thing thousands of years of history and tradition

I see a system that has existed since the feudal times that has given the bare minimum of power to the people in order to stop them from revolting. I see an establishment based in London that only allows people born and raised in a certain class the best opportunities to rule over everyone else, and with that an unwarranted sense of entitlement.

Unlike every other country in the world, the UK hasn't been conquered and given the chance to become a modern democracy and fair society. The EU is a threat to the establishment that assume that they should rule over all of us because of who their parents are.

The empire no longer exists. It's time that the UK stopped living in the past.
The empire wasn't a good thing but is a red herring times have changed the monarch serves and takes her responsibility seriously brings in wealth etc, but I get it come ze revolution I vill be ze first to be shot Laugh out load
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22-06-2016, 09:16 AM
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Is the monarchy value for money? Let's privatise and tax it to find out. After first taking back all the assets it stole though. And serve? You mean by having undue influence on the political process and being protected from journalistic scrutiny by the law you mean? Personally I prefer democratically officials to serve me.
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22-06-2016, 09:37 AM
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22-06-2016, 09:41 AM
RE: The European Union UK Referendum
(22-06-2016 07:50 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(22-06-2016 06:58 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...ation.html

http://www.euractiv.com/section/global-e...s-an-army/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31796337

What's wrong with a European army?

There are some pros and cons with it

1) pros
German army will be part of it, and german armies tend to be awesome recently

2) cons
German army will be part of it, and german armies tend not to be on the winning side recently

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