The Euthanasia Debate
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16-01-2017, 12:50 PM
RE: The Euthanasia Debate
(16-01-2017 12:34 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(16-01-2017 10:53 AM)Cypher44 Wrote:  For some reason, Action T4 is portrayed as involuntary euthanasia (even though it just murder)

I can guess the reason - attempt to make euthanasia look bad. Just like with calling abortion killing of the unborn.

Quote:Aktion T4 (German, pronounced [akˈtsi̯oːn teː fiːɐ]) was the postwar designation for a programme of involuntary euthanasia in Nazi Germany.[2] The name T4 is an abbreviation of Tiergartenstraße 4, a street address of the Chancellery department set up in spring 1940 in the Berlin borough of Tiergarten, which recruited and paid personnel associated with T4.[3][4] Under the programme certain German physicians were authorized to sign off patients "deemed incurably sick, after most critical medical examination" and then administer to them a "mercy death" (German: Gnadentod).[5] In October 1939 Adolf Hitler signed a "euthanasia decree" backdated to 1 September 1939 that authorized Reichsleiter Philipp Bouhler, the chief of his Chancellery,[6] and Dr. Karl Brandt, Hitler's personal physician, to carry out the programme of involuntary euthanasia:

They pretty much emptied out the hospitals. Only healthy, strong specimen were useful to the country. Today german hospitals have the strictest rules regarding confinement and euthanasia. Even just propping up railings at the side of beds to keep restless patients from rolling and falling out is not permitted.

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16-01-2017, 12:57 PM
RE: The Euthanasia Debate
(16-01-2017 12:50 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(16-01-2017 12:34 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  I can guess the reason - attempt to make euthanasia look bad. Just like with calling abortion killing of the unborn.

Quote:Aktion T4 (German, pronounced [akˈtsi̯oːn teː fiːɐ]) was the postwar designation for a programme of involuntary euthanasia in Nazi Germany.[2] The name T4 is an abbreviation of Tiergartenstraße 4, a street address of the Chancellery department set up in spring 1940 in the Berlin borough of Tiergarten, which recruited and paid personnel associated with T4.[3][4] Under the programme certain German physicians were authorized to sign off patients "deemed incurably sick, after most critical medical examination" and then administer to them a "mercy death" (German: Gnadentod).[5] In October 1939 Adolf Hitler signed a "euthanasia decree" backdated to 1 September 1939 that authorized Reichsleiter Philipp Bouhler, the chief of his Chancellery,[6] and Dr. Karl Brandt, Hitler's personal physician, to carry out the programme of involuntary euthanasia:

They pretty much emptied out the hospitals. Only healthy, strong specimen were useful to the country. Today german hospitals have the strictest rules regarding confinement and euthanasia. Even just propping up railings at the side of beds to keep restless patients from rolling and falling out is not permitted.

I know what the T4 was and it is easy to guess why it hadn't been called murder back then. But calling it involuntary euthanasia now just muddle things as it was state sponsored mass killing, not ending the suffering of willing person.

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16-01-2017, 01:57 PM
RE: The Euthanasia Debate
(16-01-2017 10:58 AM)Cypher44 Wrote:  
(15-01-2017 03:46 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  We already can.

Families and patients, in consultation with their physicians, decide every day of the week, thousands of times every day, to stop or withhold treatment that is deemed to be useless in changing an outcome.
The funny thing is, religionists who *claim* to believe in heaven, are no more apt to decline the *do everything possible* option.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/0...ul-gawande

Certain types of euthanasia is illegal in areas such as Britain (where I live)

Both active euthanasia and assisted suicide are illegal under English law.
Depending on the circumstances, euthanasia is regarded as either manslaughter or murder and is punishable by law, with a maximum penalty of up to life imprisonment. 
Assisted suicide is illegal under the terms of the Suicide Act (1961) and is punishable by up to 14 years' imprisonment. Attempting to kill yourself is not a criminal act in itself. 

However, under English law, all adults have the right to refuse medical treatment, as long as they have sufficient capacity (the ability to use and understand information to make a decision).

Actually, there are studies that show "withholding" of treatment is FAR more common in Europe than in the US.

If some one is not eating or drinking, not hydrating them with IV fluids and electrolytes will cause (allow) their death in a few days. The line between "active" and "passive' is not so well demarcated.

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