The "Fake news" conspiracy
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05-12-2016, 03:10 AM
RE: The "Fake news" conspiracy
(03-12-2016 06:37 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Is the thrust of this article, fake news is only fake depending on who says it?

Or in other words, if a "liberal" says something it's fake, but of a conservative says it, it's "not fake"?

Funny thing... politically, in Australia, "liberal" = "conservative". What's in a name LOL.

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05-12-2016, 03:23 AM
RE: The "Fake news" conspiracy
(03-12-2016 06:30 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  From: http://www.newslogue.com/debate/138

We now live in a society where sources that don’t confirm one’s bias are immediately dismissed as “fake news”, and nothing is considered true unless Wolf Blitzer says it. This is killing political discourse in America, and it’s turning us all into idiots.


Nobody wants truth anymore. We all just want to feel like we’re right and everyone else is wrong, and we don’t care how many lies it takes to make that happen. The light of truth is uncomfortable for our political identities, so we avoid it.

The phenomenon of fake news is, I think, one of the unintended consequences of the disappearance of magazines and newspapers, not to mention their trained and salaried contributors and journalists, and their replacement by a digital alternative. Computers, phones and tablets are largely given over to entertainment and its content, not surprisingly, isn't remotely up to the job of analysing current trends in politics, the economy, science and philosophy. Skateboarding cats? Not really that far from the truth.

Many fake news items are concocted by crackpots. Many of what look like op-ed pieces about world events are in fact propaganda from Russia asserting that Putin is a progressive humanitarian and the de facto leader of the free world. As long as there outlets like the CBC and BBC, there's a way to instantly check what's genuine reportage and what is obscenities and pig swill.

At the moment, amateurs on the side of actual news reporting and the dissemination of rational opinion are squaring off against the crackpots. People predisposed to violent, lunatic opinions are never going to be interested in reality. Confirmation bias works in the digital world the same as it always has everywhere else.
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05-12-2016, 07:33 AM
RE: The "Fake news" conspiracy
(05-12-2016 03:23 AM)Gert Heide Wrote:  As long as there outlets like the CBC and BBC, there's a way to instantly check what's genuine reportage and what is obscenities and pig swill.

What is it that these outlets offer, specifically, that let one discern between genuine reportage and pig swill?
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05-12-2016, 11:11 AM
RE: The "Fake news" conspiracy
(05-12-2016 07:33 AM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  
(05-12-2016 03:23 AM)Gert Heide Wrote:  As long as there outlets like the CBC and BBC, there's a way to instantly check what's genuine reportage and what is obscenities and pig swill.

What is it that these outlets offer, specifically, that let one discern between genuine reportage and pig swill?

You can verify the edditorial process that led to the news being transmitted, have an easy access to get the credence of the journalist (or team of journalists) in charge of the story, confirm the validity of a journalistic source and, usually, mainstream media attract the attention of fact checkers much more often than alternative media which are simply to numerous and with a too small audience to receive regular attention. All of this helps establish the credibility of mainstream media when it comes to reporting the news. When it comes to analysing it, they are no better than anybody else with similar experience and knowledge.

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05-12-2016, 11:59 AM
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(05-12-2016 11:11 AM)epronovost Wrote:  
(05-12-2016 07:33 AM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  What is it that these outlets offer, specifically, that let one discern between genuine reportage and pig swill?

All of this helps establish the credibility of mainstream media when it comes to reporting the news.

Right - It helps establish that mainstream media has precisely 0 credibility.
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05-12-2016, 12:20 PM
RE: The "Fake news" conspiracy
(05-12-2016 11:59 AM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  
(05-12-2016 11:11 AM)epronovost Wrote:  All of this helps establish the credibility of mainstream media when it comes to reporting the news.

Right - It helps establish that mainstream media has precisely 0 credibility.

Mass media are indeed guilty of spreading missinformation from time to time. No system is "fake news" or "ideologically driven news" proof. But, should I be asked to rate alternate media sources and traditionnal media in function of their credibility and reliability, I would choose traditionnal media with a significant margin because of those elements. The only media with a better credibility would be specialised media, for example a scientific journal, when it touches its sphere of expertise.

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06-12-2016, 11:08 AM
RE: The "Fake news" conspiracy
(05-12-2016 07:33 AM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  
(05-12-2016 03:23 AM)Gert Heide Wrote:  As long as there outlets like the CBC and BBC, there's a way to instantly check what's genuine reportage and what is obscenities and pig swill.

What is it that these outlets offer, specifically, that let one discern between genuine reportage and pig swill?

The content of these organisations' site and their news broadcasts, though routinely biased, is subject to parliamentary oversight [yes, this is sometimes very poor and also skewed] and the employees of both national broadcasters are qualified [yes, it's progressively harder to find reporters who can spell or who possess anything like a respectable stock of general knowledge] to be reporters and news gatherers. National broadcasters in English-speaking developed countries offer at least minimally competent and factually verified coverage of events. Much of this, of course, enrages people who find the tone of the coverage uncritically partial to the left. I'm finding that a lot of people, especially with regard to Trump or the EU, dismiss anything, from whatever source, as concocted lies whenever and wherever a source says something they hate to hear. When some US voters will only accept as real news the crackpot stories that say, for example, that Clinton is selling kidnapped kids to criminals via a pizza parlour, this says everything you need to know about the rage that inspires them and their preference for anything, however insane and obviously fictive, that sits well with their furious, whackjob world views.
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06-12-2016, 12:12 PM (This post was last modified: 06-12-2016 12:16 PM by Gilgamesh.)
RE: The "Fake news" conspiracy
(06-12-2016 11:08 AM)Gert Heide Wrote:  
(05-12-2016 07:33 AM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  What is it that these outlets offer, specifically, that let one discern between genuine reportage and pig swill?

The content of these organisations' site and their news broadcasts, though routinely biased, is subject to parliamentary oversight [yes, this is sometimes very poor and also skewed] and the employees of both national broadcasters are qualified [yes, it's progressively harder to find reporters who can spell or who possess anything like a respectable stock of general knowledge] to be reporters and news gatherers. National broadcasters in English-speaking developed countries offer at least minimally competent and factually verified coverage of events.

This doesn't answer my question. None of that is specific to CBC or BBC. In fact there are media outlets in the west very unlike CBC and BBC that all of that holds true for, too.
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06-12-2016, 12:26 PM
RE: The "Fake news" conspiracy
Sounds to me like Gilgamesh is majorly pissed off and frustrated because no one is taking his ickle bickle conspiracy theory seriously, he is passively throwing his toys out of the pram and saying that people are just too dense to understand just how brilliant his ideas are.
I suggest he gets a room with the Borg where they can indulge in a little mutual masturbation.
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06-12-2016, 12:28 PM
RE: The "Fake news" conspiracy
(06-12-2016 12:26 PM)adey67 Wrote:  Iindulge in a little mutual masturbation.

Fucking lol at the irony.

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