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29-03-2017, 05:59 PM (This post was last modified: 29-03-2017 06:27 PM by Leerob.)
The Fallacy Game
So I just had a fun idea.
1 Post a video that you found on youtube (of religious apologetics/debates/science)
2 next person gets to call out as many fallacies as they can find in that video
3 then that person gets to post a new video
4 and so on.

video maybe around 5 minutes. Nobody gonna watch much more than that in one go.

What's a fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy
List of fallacies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

Here is the first one - GO




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29-03-2017, 06:03 PM
RE: The Fallacy Game
(29-03-2017 05:59 PM)Leerob Wrote:  So I just had a fun idea.
1 Post a video (of religious apologetics/debates/science)
2 next person gets to call out as many fallacies as they can find in that video
3 then that person gets to post a new video
4 and so on.

video maybe around 5 minutes. Nobody gonna watch much more than that in one go.

What's a fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy
List of fallacies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

Here is the first one - GO




> I like your idea. Unfortunately, I do not have the equipment to make and post videos. Sad
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29-03-2017, 06:26 PM
RE: The Fallacy Game
(29-03-2017 06:03 PM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  
(29-03-2017 05:59 PM)Leerob Wrote:  So I just had a fun idea.
1 Post a video (of religious apologetics/debates/science)
2 next person gets to call out as many fallacies as they can find in that video
3 then that person gets to post a new video
4 and so on.

video maybe around 5 minutes. Nobody gonna watch much more than that in one go.

What's a fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy
List of fallacies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

Here is the first one - GO




> I like your idea. Unfortunately, I do not have the equipment to make and post videos. Sad

That is not me in the video lol. I just found it on youtube. you don't have to make one lol. it is supposed to be fun. Just watch, find fallacies, write fallacies down. find another stupid video like that one and post it on here.

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29-03-2017, 06:26 PM
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replied instead of edit... i dumb - ignore this post

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29-03-2017, 08:33 PM
RE: The Fallacy Game
(29-03-2017 05:59 PM)Leerob Wrote:  So I just had a fun idea.
1 Post a video that you found on youtube (of religious apologetics/debates/science)
2 next person gets to call out as many fallacies as they can find in that video
3 then that person gets to post a new video
4 and so on.

video maybe around 5 minutes. Nobody gonna watch much more than that in one go.

What's a fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy
List of fallacies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

Here is the first one - GO





1st: That fancy music and professional looking video is going to make your points any more valid.
2nd: That his beliefs = fact.
3rd: The idea that the whole universe needed to act in an exact way for us to be here when in reality, just our galaxy needed to act in a certain way. There are countless galaxies and countless planets and moons etc.. and only 1 that we know of has life. Thus even though the chances of us being here are remote, there's so much shit out there even remote chances can happen.
4th: That this is the first time the universe has.. existed. We don't know what was before the big bang.
5th: That because the chance is so remote, it can't happen and thus someone has "loaded the dice and thus God".
6th: That believing in God isn't a delusion.
7th: That believing in God is a reasonable conclusion.
8th: That because the chance of us being here is so remote, it must mean that there is a good chance that "god did it" and thus because there's a chance "god did it" that makes believing in God to be viable.
9th: That he's not a nob and worth listening too and taking seriously.
10th: That people are gonna fall for this shit.
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29-03-2017, 08:41 PM
RE: The Fallacy Game
(29-03-2017 05:59 PM)Leerob Wrote:  So I just had a fun idea.
1 Post a video that you found on youtube (of religious apologetics/debates/science)

I have a better idea! Same as yours but without the agony of watching the apologetics video. We do it psychically.

Without watching the video I call:
- Strawman
- Rubbish at science
- Complete rubbish at stats
- Betting on a horse that's already won
- Failure to connect premises to conclusions, esp. Why your particular god?
- And a dash of emotional appeal

Yes I know those aren't the formal terms. How'd my spidey sense do?

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30-03-2017, 04:54 PM
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@earmuffs, wow well done! So where is your video that we get to check? Big Grin

@Paleophyte, hey sure. Give it a go. Andy es you got it pretty much right. I cannot remember him mentioning any stats/numbers but otherwise pretty much yes.

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30-03-2017, 06:22 PM
RE: The Fallacy Game
(29-03-2017 05:59 PM)Leerob Wrote:  So I just had a fun idea.
1 Post a video that you found on youtube (of religious apologetics/debates/science)
2 next person gets to call out as many fallacies as they can find in that video
3 then that person gets to post a new video
4 and so on.

video maybe around 5 minutes. Nobody gonna watch much more than that in one go.

What's a fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy
List of fallacies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

Here is the first one - GO




I would say that the main fallacy he's indulging in is the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy, where you draw a target around a set of numbers and then say goddidit.

He's also making a false equivocation with random chance, the odds of us being here on this planet is basically 100%. None of it requires a deity to put it in place. Simply multiplying improbable things together is terrible and sloppy mathematics and it's a red flag for someone that's desperately trying to shove a god into everything as an explanation. This is a post-hoc fallacy, and it is a hallmark of Christian apologetics, it is literally put forth as the main explanation for the god of the bible's actions.

Hebrews dominated by the Babylonians? That's our god using the Babylonians to punish us!

Jesus doesn't really fit into Jewish prophecies of a conquering messiah? That's because he was supposed to be crucified, let me show you all kinds of post-hoc interpretations of the bible that show that was supposed to happen. Facepalm

Most of these apologists will employ the post-hoc fallacy and it's cousin, the Texas Sharpshooter.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

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31-03-2017, 04:57 AM
RE: The Fallacy Game
(29-03-2017 05:59 PM)Leerob Wrote:  Here is the first one - GO




He fails before he even starts.

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31-03-2017, 05:09 AM
RE: The Fallacy Game
Here's one that should called "the fallacy of believing there's no such thing as a fallacy" fallacy. Shocking

It's gonna hurt your head!
You don't have to guess the fallacies, Matt does all the work for you, just watch.





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