The Good Book
Post Reply
 
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Votes - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
23-06-2017, 02:18 AM
The Good Book
Now from the title of the post you might think I am talking about the bible. What I'm referring to is the book called "The Good Book". It's a secular "bible". One of the things I think that secularism is missing and harmed by missing is a mythology. Many times I've heard secularists say myth= false/lie/untrue. This is not what myth means. A myth is a narrative. Myths can be true or false.

My question is two fold. 1 if you have read it what do you think of The Good Book. 2 what do you think of deliberately creating a common mythology?
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
23-06-2017, 03:36 AM
RE: The Good Book
Welcome to TTA.

If you are referring to AC Grayling's tome, yes, I own a copy.

As a devout atheist, yes, I agree with with everything in it.

No, I haven't read it but I still know that it's divinely inspired.

Thumbsup

Creating a common mythology is what Tolkien was doing. No problem with that. Myths are about wisdom not truth or reality.

Yes

Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 3 users Like DLJ's post
23-06-2017, 03:42 AM
RE: The Good Book
Myth is A traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining a natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events or a widely held but false belief or idea so secularists you speak about aren't wrong. Given the definition myth being true is exceedingly rare occurrence I suppose.

I didn't read and I see no need for creating mythology. I leave fairy tales to theists.

The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.

Mikhail Bakunin.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
23-06-2017, 04:56 AM
RE: The Good Book
Haven't read it.

I enjoy mythology. If someone wants to make a mythology that they think will be meaningful to some secularists, that's fine with me. Personally I'm not interested in such a thing. I expect such a myth would be an artistic failure, as is true of most didactic literature.

There are atheists who seek to replace religion with something else--atheists who want to go to Sunday humanist services, for example. However, I just want to get rid of the religion in my life.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like julep's post
23-06-2017, 05:28 AM (This post was last modified: 23-06-2017 05:45 AM by Full Circle.)
RE: The Good Book
(23-06-2017 02:18 AM)BlkFnx Wrote:  One of the things I think that secularism is missing and harmed by missing is a mythology.

I think not having a secular mythology is a strength, not a weakness.

Quote:A myth is a narrative. Myths can be true or false.

Myths can be a way of illustrating truths but, so not as you know they are myths, they are neither true nor false. They are fiction and those words just don't apply.

Quote:My question is two fold. 1 if you have read it what do you think of The Good Book.

I have never heard of it. Can you provide a general outline or overview?

Quote:2 what do you think of deliberately creating a common mythology?

I see no benefit and possible harm from limiting thinking to conform to the mythology.

Atheism: it's not just for communists any more!
America July 4 1776 - November 8 2016 RIP
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like unfogged's post
23-06-2017, 05:30 AM
RE: The Good Book
(23-06-2017 05:28 AM)unfogged Wrote:  My question is two fold. 1 if you have read it what do you think of The Good Book.

Quote:I have never heard of it. Can you provide a general outline or overview?

The Good Book by AC Grayling

Should be available in your local library.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes Heath_Tierney's post
23-06-2017, 06:35 AM
RE: The Good Book
The Good Book by Tim Minchin!




What's the difference between a cow and religion?

You can't milk a cow for 2000 years...
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like Gruntsky's post
23-06-2017, 07:29 AM (This post was last modified: 23-06-2017 07:39 AM by Vera.)
RE: The Good Book
(23-06-2017 02:18 AM)BlkFnx Wrote:  One of the things I think that secularism is missing and harmed by missing is a mythology.

Many times I've heard secularists say myth= false/lie/untrue. This is not what myth means. A myth is a narrative. Myths can be true or false.

My question is two fold. 1 if you have read it what do you think of The Good Book. 2 what do you think of deliberately creating a common mythology?

Hell to the no. That's a strength. We are trying to outgrow the tribal us and them instinct, not strengthen is.

I, personally, do not need a manifesto or a life guru, thank you very much.

And even if I did want "wisdom" (whatever that even means. (Not looking for an explanation, DLJ, just figure of speech. But thanks anyway)), why would I want someone else's pregathered and prechewed idea of it? Am I a mental cripple?

And why do I need a "narrative" to tell me how to lead my life and why do I need just the one and who gets to decide which one it is?

Mythologies made sense before, when people had to find a way of making sense of the world. Why would I deliberately start inventing fairy-tales in this day and age, to help me be a better person or some such vague infantility? No, thanks. We have science to (try and begin to) explain the world; the rest is a personal quest for growth.

"E se non passa la tristezza con altri occhi la guarderĂ²."
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 3 users Like Vera's post
23-06-2017, 11:29 AM
RE: The Good Book
(23-06-2017 02:18 AM)BlkFnx Wrote:  2 what do you think of deliberately creating a common mythology?
We already have a common mythology. It can be found in the pages of cosmology and evolution.

[Image: fdyq20.jpg]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
23-06-2017, 12:02 PM
RE: The Good Book
(23-06-2017 02:18 AM)BlkFnx Wrote:  My question is two fold. 1 if you have read it what do you think of The Good Book. 2 what do you think of deliberately creating a common mythology?

1. Didn't read it yet... but I might now.

2.I don't really need a mythology but you can have this for what it's worth:

[Image: 62369dcb9f14858feb234b9665a29f00.jpg]

A friend in the hole

"If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are." - Captain Picard
6
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like unsapien's post
Post Reply
Forum Jump: