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25-07-2013, 06:16 AM
RE: The Gospel of Peace?
(24-07-2013 06:27 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  We evangelicals most often focus on individual salvation, Jesus's comforts in life and Heaven. But the return of Jesus is the advent of the millennial kingdom of Israel and of world peace.

Armageddon is interposed between our age and the return of Jesus. But it is not ordained fact yet. God may relent. I hope it is so.

Have many of you been exposed to the book of Revelation or of the different gospels or "good news" proclamations within? The good news of the kingdom of God ascendant, world peace, etc?


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25-07-2013, 07:05 PM
RE: The Gospel of Peace?
(24-07-2013 06:27 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  We evangelicals most often focus on individual salvation, Jesus's comforts in life and Heaven. But the return of Jesus is the advent of the millennial kingdom of Israel and of world peace.

Armageddon is interposed between our age and the return of Jesus. But it is not ordained fact yet. God may relent. I hope it is so.

Have many of you been exposed to the book of Revelation or of the different gospels or "good news" proclamations within? The good news of the kingdom of God ascendant, world peace, etc?

Revelations - probably the most ridiculous book in the entire bible (and some others are pretty darn ridiculous too.)

How come you didn't know Revelations ends with an s? (... awaits the typo excuse...)

Until now, I have never heard or read any mention that Armageddon doesn't have to occur. Are you sure you aren't brand new to Christianity?

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25-07-2013, 07:08 PM
RE: The Gospel of Peace?
(25-07-2013 07:05 PM)Impulse Wrote:  
(24-07-2013 06:27 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  We evangelicals most often focus on individual salvation, Jesus's comforts in life and Heaven. But the return of Jesus is the advent of the millennial kingdom of Israel and of world peace.

Armageddon is interposed between our age and the return of Jesus. But it is not ordained fact yet. God may relent. I hope it is so.

Have many of you been exposed to the book of Revelation or of the different gospels or "good news" proclamations within? The good news of the kingdom of God ascendant, world peace, etc?

Revelations - probably the most ridiculous book in the entire bible (and some others are pretty darn ridiculous too.)

How come you didn't know Revelations ends with an s? (... awaits the typo excuse...)

Until now, I have never heard or read any mention that Armageddon doesn't have to occur. Are you sure you aren't brand new to Christianity?

No 's'. Revelation.

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25-07-2013, 07:12 PM
RE: The Gospel of Peace?
(25-07-2013 07:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(25-07-2013 07:05 PM)Impulse Wrote:  Revelations - probably the most ridiculous book in the entire bible (and some others are pretty darn ridiculous too.)

How come you didn't know Revelations ends with an s? (... awaits the typo excuse...)

Until now, I have never heard or read any mention that Armageddon doesn't have to occur. Are you sure you aren't brand new to Christianity?

No 's'. Revelation.
Really? I guess it has been a long time since I paid attention to it. I stand corrected. Thanks.

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30-07-2013, 10:46 AM
RE: The Gospel of Peace?
(24-07-2013 07:00 AM)jaihare Wrote:  I've never heard anyone suggest that Armageddon is avertible. Given that it's supposedly discussed in the book of Zechariah and the Revelation is basically obsessed with it, I don't see how you could say that it might not happen. If it doesn't happen, doesn't that prove that these people were not prophets?

Quote:If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.
(Jeremiah 18:7-8 ESV)

Jonah warned the Ninevites their city would be destroyed in 40 days. They repented and the destruction was averted.

Perhaps Armageddon could be averted if the whole world repented; however it is obvious that isn't going to happen.

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30-07-2013, 11:46 AM (This post was last modified: 30-07-2013 02:20 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: The Gospel of Peace?
(30-07-2013 10:46 AM)theophilus Wrote:  
(24-07-2013 07:00 AM)jaihare Wrote:  I've never heard anyone suggest that Armageddon is avertible. Given that it's supposedly discussed in the book of Zechariah and the Revelation is basically obsessed with it, I don't see how you could say that it might not happen. If it doesn't happen, doesn't that prove that these people were not prophets?

Quote:If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.
(Jeremiah 18:7-8 ESV)

Jonah warned the Ninevites their city would be destroyed in 40 days. They repented and the destruction was averted.

Perhaps Armageddon could be averted if the whole world repented; however it is obvious that isn't going to happen.

Jonah was a myth. The place of a "leviathon" (sea monster) in Hebrew culture and how it relates to the Sumerian myths/monsters/sea creatures is WAY too long to go into here. The business of whales swallowing humans is ubiquitous in mythology. The writers/editors of the Bible "imported" a common circulating myth (it's called "syncretism") and used the myth to make their point. http://www.whalefacts.org/whales-in-mythology/ It's called a "literary device". The authors/editors/compilers of the Bible used many literary devices. Only ignorant American uneducated infantile fundies NEED to take things literally, as their exposure world literature is so limited, and "literal" is the only thing their childish understand can grasp. No scholar actually thinks it's "literally" true. Dump the "literal" and it's actually not a bad myth. There were hundreds of books of "revelation". It was quite the fad. (Dr.) Elaine Pagels (Princeton) has a great book and video on the subject. I'd link to it, but you can do your own homework.

I ask you, how could the SAME capricious Yahweh who killed all these people and animals, say to Jonah, when he is mad that the Ninevites were spared, "who cannot distinguish their right hand from their left, not to mention the many cattle" ?
Moody god I guess.

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30-07-2013, 12:39 PM
RE: The Gospel of Peace?
(24-07-2013 02:51 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(24-07-2013 06:27 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  But it is not ordained fact yet. God may relent. I hope it is so.

Ummm, yes it is.

Please give biblical references to back your claim.

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30-07-2013, 02:00 PM
RE: The Gospel of Peace?
(24-07-2013 10:44 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  God on facebook says the entire book of Revelations is just a bad acid trip that the guy who wrote it was having.

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Yup. So true. The Island of Patmos where Revelations was supposed to have been written is rife with Psilocybin mushrooms. Easy to find, easy to eat. You'd eat mushrooms too if you got hungry. So yeah, John was a stoner. Like...totally.

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