The Gunpowder Plot
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06-11-2014, 05:40 PM
RE: The Gunpowder Plot
Personally, I'm all for burning effigies to please the overlord.

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06-11-2014, 07:58 PM
RE: The Gunpowder Plot
It's a pain in the arse...

There's a farm where they breed horses nearby... Last year two mares miscarried after being spooked by the fireworks.

Every year the local farmers ask if people will respect the fact that they have livestock to worry about, and to try and keep the noise levels to a minimum, or to at least let their fireworks off early and get it all out of the way before 9 o'clock.

No one listens...

I can't imagine how it affects the wildlife round here.

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06-11-2014, 09:46 PM
RE: The Gunpowder Plot
(06-11-2014 09:09 AM)Drunkin Druid Wrote:  I always considered it to be a rebellion against the establishment type thing.

Nope. That`s a myth.

Elizabeth the first suppressed catholics during her rule over England and furtherd the new Anglican Church.

After her passing, the King James the 7th of Scotland and 2nd of England took over the country. James wasnt an Anglican but a Scotish protestant with ties to puritanism.
he set out with the goal of uniting the two countries and therefor started making the Scotish puritan establishment and nobility part of the English elite.
The remaining catholics were struck with fear of a puritan state in a constant state of conflict with the catholic world.
For many catholics back then, catholic doctrin was the only right doctrin and nobody could rule anything without the approval and consent of the pope.
Which is why the gunpowder plot was in it`s entirety organised by catholics. Catholics who wanted to whipe out any protestant fait, be it anglican or puritan, from the british island and reeinstate a catholic monarch who could rule without parlaiment but with supervision of the pope.

You could call it antiestablishment, but it would ignore the fact that these people wanted to instal an even worse zealot catholic establishment.

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06-11-2014, 11:08 PM
RE: The Gunpowder Plot
(06-11-2014 09:46 PM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  
(06-11-2014 09:09 AM)Drunkin Druid Wrote:  I always considered it to be a rebellion against the establishment type thing.

Nope. That`s a myth.

Elizabeth the first suppressed catholics during her rule over England and furtherd the new Anglican Church.

After her passing, the King James the 7th of Scotland and 2nd of England took over the country. James wasnt an Anglican but a Scotish protestant with ties to puritanism.
he set out with the goal of uniting the two countries and therefor started making the Scotish puritan establishment and nobility part of the English elite.
The remaining catholics were struck with fear of a puritan state in a constant state of conflict with the catholic world.
For many catholics back then, catholic doctrin was the only right doctrin and nobody could rule anything without the approval and consent of the pope.
Which is why the gunpowder plot was in it`s entirety organised by catholics. Catholics who wanted to whipe out any protestant fait, be it anglican or puritan, from the british island and reeinstate a catholic monarch who could rule without parlaiment but with supervision of the pope.

You could call it antiestablishment, but it would ignore the fact that these people wanted to instal an even worse zealot catholic establishment.

Interesting. Thanks.
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07-11-2014, 04:22 AM
RE: The Gunpowder Plot
The small town of Lewis in Sussex in England devotes itself to a massive bonfire night celebration every year, probably the biggest in the country. They create an effigy each year and burn them. Two years ago it was Angela Merkel making a Nazi salute with one finger across her upper lip like Hitler. This year they made an effigy of Alex Salmond and the Loch Ness monster with a 45% badge.

Despite being tasteless for all kinds of reasons, the effigy of Alex Salmond was more consistent with Guy Fawkes. He has come closer than anyone since then to remove power from Westminster.

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