The Hidden Blind Faith of Christian Intellectuals that Makes Debates Pointless
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16-04-2015, 11:43 AM
RE: The Hidden Blind Faith of Christian Intellectuals that Makes Debates Pointless
(16-04-2015 09:47 AM)emeraldcrown Wrote:  
(16-04-2015 05:26 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  You could always link to the video and either include the H : M : S part you want in the URL, or you could just tell people what part to watch when you post the link.

I just know it's in there, I don't remember where anymore.
I did find a reference here on Craig's site to it. Apparently it's in the third debate.
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/the-first...-australia

Dr. Craig: Yes, that’s right. And you notice, Kevin, for those who will listen to all three dialogues, in the final dialogue in Melbourne he says this: “I came here thinking that Dr. Craig was a charlatan,” and he said, “I no longer believe that. I now think that he believes deeply what he says.”[5] So now he thinks that I’m just sincerely deluded but not a charlatan. And after the final dialogue in Melbourne, as we shook hands, he said to me privately, he said, “Bill” – we were on a first name basis by then – he said, “Bill, I have a note of faint praise that I want to convey to you. I realize it’s faint, but I do want to convey it to you.” And he said, “I now no longer think that you’re lying about the things that you say. I really do believe that you sincerely hold to the arguments that you offer.” And I said, “Well, thank you very much for at least that faint note of praise.” So his attitude did change to a degree. I still find it incredibly condescending to say that I’m a fool rather than a charlatan, but I guess I’d rather be thought a fool, Kevin, than a charlatan. I don’t mind people thinking I’m stupid but I am troubled when they attack my character, and say that I’m an immoral man.

Well, that's quite moving. "I apologize for calling you a charlatan. I was mistaken - you are simply delusional."

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16-04-2015, 01:33 PM (This post was last modified: 16-04-2015 01:37 PM by Simon Moon.)
RE: The Hidden Blind Faith of Christian Intellectuals that Makes Debates Pointless
(15-04-2015 01:21 AM)emeraldcrown Wrote:  The thing is; they are mostly right.
- There is a remarkable number of historical evidence for Jesus Christ, the Jesus Christ, concerning his life and crucifixion. Here is a short but interesting video about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9CC7qNZkOE

There is no contrmporaty evidence of Jesus' existence.

ALL the so called evidence for his existence comes from writers who were born and lived too late.

And even if there was a historic person that the Biblical character of Jesus was based on (I believe there probably was), that alone does not offer a shred of evidence for any of the supernatural god claims attributed to him.

Quote:- There is also a good number of arguments for God’s existence that as of today remain undefeated, although much critiqued. These include the Kalam Cosmological argument, the Teleological argument, the Ontological argument, the Moral argument, etc.

All of these arguments contain at leas one fallacy and or, at least one of their premises is unsound.

They are self defeating.
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16-04-2015, 01:48 PM
RE: The Hidden Blind Faith of Christian Intellectuals that Makes Debates Pointless
(16-04-2015 01:33 PM)Simon Moon Wrote:  All of these arguments contain at leas one fallacy and or, at least one of their premises is unsound.

They are self defeating.

But they haven't been defeated because reasons Rolleyes OP seems like some kinda apologist to me. Just the smell. Could be wrong.

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16-04-2015, 01:53 PM
RE: The Hidden Blind Faith of Christian Intellectuals that Makes Debates Pointless
I don't trust WLC as a source for claiming anyone praised WLC, faint though that praise might be. I'd rather see the guy who called him a charlatan recanting, without any reportage from the object of his criticism.
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16-04-2015, 03:15 PM
RE: The Hidden Blind Faith of Christian Intellectuals that Makes Debates Pointless
(16-04-2015 01:53 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  I don't trust WLC as a source for claiming anyone praised WLC, faint though that praise might be. I'd rather see the guy who called him a charlatan recanting, without any reportage from the object of his criticism.

It's in the video of the debate. Watch it if you are interested. But of course you aren't that interested, which makes this conversation pointless.

@morondog: You have a weird sense of smell. I just know philosophy. I'm not interested, however, in defending a position I do not hold (for reasons outlined in the OP and other various issues).
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16-04-2015, 08:19 PM
RE: The Hidden Blind Faith of Christian Intellectuals that Makes Debates Pointless
He's means you've got the smell of a theist in atheist clothing.

Anybody that would defend WLC aka Creep Fingers and his Kalamity Cosmological bs hasn't done the reading or is being willfully ignorant.
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16-04-2015, 08:51 PM
RE: The Hidden Blind Faith of Christian Intellectuals that Makes Debates Pointless
(16-04-2015 08:19 PM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  He's means you've got the smell of a theist in atheist clothing.

Anybody that would defend WLC aka Creep Fingers and his Kalamity Cosmological bs hasn't done the reading or is being willfully ignorant.

Agreed, there is a difference between defending a decent argument or the character of someone who is worthy of it, and then doing the same for someone like WLC.


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16-04-2015, 10:41 PM
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just go to antiCitizenX's youtube channel, his video debunk them and check out the resource library we have here
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17-04-2015, 05:52 AM
RE: The Hidden Blind Faith of Christian Intellectuals that Makes Debates Pointless
(16-04-2015 08:19 PM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  He's means you've got the smell of a theist in atheist clothing.

I got pretty skeptical when I read this:

(15-04-2015 01:21 AM)emeraldcrown Wrote:  - There is also a good number of arguments for God’s existence that as of today remain undefeated, although much critiqued. These include the Kalam Cosmological argument, the Teleological argument, the Ontological argument, the Moral argument, etc.

Several people (myself included) detailed why these arguments don't hold any water.
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