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26-07-2013, 06:18 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(26-07-2013 06:11 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(26-07-2013 05:55 PM)nach_in Wrote:  A word is never just a word, in politics words are as close to magic spells as you can get. A wrong word said at the wrong time, can destroy entire careers and even make people live or die for the series of reactions they generate.

The use of the word "agenda" with its connotation of a planned and centralized organization, has a specific effect (even with intent) of undermining the sincerity of the intentions of gay people who strive for equality and acceptance.
When they say "gay marriage is just an item of the gay agenda" they're implying that homosexuals don't want to get the right to get married to enjoy equal rights and opportunities as heterosexuals, they're implying that they just want it for some immoral reason, usually to destroy the american way of living, because you know, gays are evil masterminds who want to destroy the world.

The word has political relevance and it can't be used without subjectivity. That's why I say there is no gay agenda, because the implications of that expression are not true. What you see on TV does exist, it happens, you may like it or not, but it is not part of an agenda, some of those representations are the result of the use of political influence obtained thought decades of activism, but they're not part of an organized plan.

Homosexuals, as an undetermined group of people, have no agenda. There're homosexuals with agendas of their own, but their agendas are not The Gay Agenda, there is no Gay Agenda.

I don't have a problem calling it the "Homosexual Agenda". Sure there is no centralized planning or organization, but there is decentralized purposeful planning and organization that acts in tendency. I believe in collective intelligence and believe a collective intelligence is behind the actions I am observing. I don't see why a collective intelligence can't have an agenda.

The terms "Gay Agenda" and "Homosexual Agenda" have already been co-opted by the antis. The terms already carry negative connotation.

So unless you want to drag the negatives along, you should use a different descriptor.

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26-07-2013, 06:20 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(26-07-2013 05:55 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(26-07-2013 05:45 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I call it fuckin' Fabulous. Tongue

embedded marketing, demonization, and child indoctrination is fabulous?

This is what I mean when I say words are important. You call it embedded marketing, I call it outreach, you say demonization I say denunciation, you say indoctrination I say education... You say agenda, I say progress.

You say gay is wrong, I say gay is equal.

Your words are loaded and you know it, but you don't want to acknowledge it because then you'll have to justify your intentions, and your intentions are indefensible.

You create a false threat narrative, but you can't provide serious arguments to sustain it, because well... it's false.

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26-07-2013, 06:32 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(26-07-2013 05:55 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  embedded marketing, demonization, and child indoctrination is fabulous?

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26-07-2013, 06:41 PM
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Besides that fact that BlowJob has provided not one study to prove there is any such thing as "indoctrination" going on, the use of that word belies a complete ignorance of the way human sexuality develops, and works. Are straight people "talked into" their orientation and attractions ? Who "talked" him into his orientation. Is he telling us he was a bisexual child ? It implies that he, along with everyone, is essentially bisexual, and with out "indoctrination" to one way or another, everyone would remain bisexual. Complete crap. Just like all his other ignorant nonsense.

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26-07-2013, 08:15 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(26-07-2013 06:15 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Blowme,
What are you, the trite, buzzword bearer?

I'm an arrogant ass.

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26-07-2013, 08:19 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(26-07-2013 06:20 PM)nach_in Wrote:  
(26-07-2013 05:55 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  embedded marketing, demonization, and child indoctrination is fabulous?

This is what I mean when I say words are important. You call it embedded marketing, I call it outreach, you say demonization I say denunciation, you say indoctrination I say education... You say agenda, I say progress.

You say gay is wrong, I say gay is equal.

Your words are loaded and you know it, but you don't want to acknowledge it because then you'll have to justify your intentions, and your intentions are indefensible.

You create a false threat narrative, but you can't provide serious arguments to sustain it, because well... it's false.

When did I say gay is wrong?
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26-07-2013, 08:23 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(26-07-2013 06:18 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(26-07-2013 06:11 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  I don't have a problem calling it the "Homosexual Agenda". Sure there is no centralized planning or organization, but there is decentralized purposeful planning and organization that acts in tendency. I believe in collective intelligence and believe a collective intelligence is behind the actions I am observing. I don't see why a collective intelligence can't have an agenda.

The terms "Gay Agenda" and "Homosexual Agenda" have already been co-opted by the antis. The terms already carry negative connotation.

So unless you want to drag the negatives along, you should use a different descriptor.

Chas, I don't think you are comprehending the discussion in this thread. We are discussing the Homosexual Agenda conspiracy and whether or not it exists.
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26-07-2013, 08:25 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(26-07-2013 08:23 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Chas, I don't think you are comprehending the discussion in this thread. We are discussing the Homosexual Agenda conspiracy and whether or not it exists.

'Conspiracy' seems a rather bizarre word to use...

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26-07-2013, 08:28 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(26-07-2013 08:25 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(26-07-2013 08:23 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Chas, I don't think you are comprehending the discussion in this thread. We are discussing the Homosexual Agenda conspiracy and whether or not it exists.

'Conspiracy' seems a rather bizarre word to use...

I wouldn't call it a conspiracy either, but I didn't start this thread.

I'm just arguing that the homosexual agenda is real.
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26-07-2013, 08:30 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(26-07-2013 08:19 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(26-07-2013 06:20 PM)nach_in Wrote:  This is what I mean when I say words are important. You call it embedded marketing, I call it outreach, you say demonization I say denunciation, you say indoctrination I say education... You say agenda, I say progress.

You say gay is wrong, I say gay is equal.

Your words are loaded and you know it, but you don't want to acknowledge it because then you'll have to justify your intentions, and your intentions are indefensible.

You create a false threat narrative, but you can't provide serious arguments to sustain it, because well... it's false.

When did I say gay is wrong?

You implied it when you said that the gay agenda is observable through the indoctrination of children basically.

You ascribe something generally considered bad (indoctrination) to a group of people defined by one shared characteristic (gays), therefore you implied that being gay is being involved in a bad behaviour, therefore gays are bad.

You really should pay attention to the connotation your words have if you don't want to be misinterpreted.

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