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25-07-2013, 08:10 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(25-07-2013 08:06 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(25-07-2013 07:39 PM)nach_in Wrote:  The problem is the word "agenda" it implies some sort of great organization and sharply defined goals and means to achieve those goals. That's not true, there is no such thing across the gay community, there're organizations, each one with their own agenda, but nothing that can be called "gay agenda" as a big scheme.
There are common interests within gay community: tolerance, non violent treatment, no segregation, etc. But not even gay marriage is a common interest, there're plenty of gays who don't want that.

....but then there is no such thing as the conservative agenda or progressive agenda either.

You are a master of ridiculous non sequitur.

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25-07-2013, 08:11 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(25-07-2013 08:00 PM)ridethespiral Wrote:  
(25-07-2013 07:55 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Now you can argue people like Robertson are evil because of their views on homosexuality.....but you can't say he is mindless sheep....like the deniers of the homosexual agenda apparently are.

And Robertson's followers are not? Pat Roberston is concerned with making a buck at the expense of whoever he can. He may not be a 'follower' but that doesn't absolve him from being a dick and touting bigotry for profit.

Yeah...like I said...you can argue that Robertson is an evil person. I agree his followers are sheep. None of that has anything to do with whether or not a gay agenda exists.

I think it does. Homosexuality has been embedded marketed for years now and its blatant.
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25-07-2013, 08:13 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(25-07-2013 08:10 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(25-07-2013 08:06 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  ....but then there is no such thing as the conservative agenda or progressive agenda either.

You are a master of ridiculous non sequitur.

He has been studying at the I and I school of debate. If this was D&D his dodge would be like +40.

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25-07-2013, 08:14 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(25-07-2013 08:10 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(25-07-2013 08:06 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  ....but then there is no such thing as the conservative agenda or progressive agenda either.

You are a master of ridiculous non sequitur.

I was being facetious Chas. Of course there is a conservative agenda and a progressive agenda.....just like there is a gay agenda.
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25-07-2013, 08:28 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(25-07-2013 08:06 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(25-07-2013 07:39 PM)nach_in Wrote:  The problem is the word "agenda" it implies some sort of great organization and sharply defined goals and means to achieve those goals. That's not true, there is no such thing across the gay community, there're organizations, each one with their own agenda, but nothing that can be called "gay agenda" as a big scheme.
There are common interests within gay community: tolerance, non violent treatment, no segregation, etc. But not even gay marriage is a common interest, there're plenty of gays who don't want that.

....but then there is no such thing as the conservative agenda or progressive agenda either.

I'm not sure what those things are, never heard of them, but if there's is, lets say, a big political party unifying the criteria of the agenda then there are those agendas.

Gays don't have a central political organization, there're political agendas of gay people, but there isn't a unified (or at least generalized) agenda.

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25-07-2013, 08:33 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(25-07-2013 08:28 PM)nach_in Wrote:  
(25-07-2013 08:06 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  ....but then there is no such thing as the conservative agenda or progressive agenda either.

I'm not sure what those things are, never heard of them, but if there's is, lets say, a big political party unifying the criteria of the agenda then there are those agendas.

Gays don't have a central political organization, there're political agendas of gay people, but there isn't a unified (or at least generalized) agenda.

There is enough unification and organization that embedded marketing casting homosexuality in a favorable light takes place.
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25-07-2013, 09:26 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(25-07-2013 08:33 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(25-07-2013 08:28 PM)nach_in Wrote:  I'm not sure what those things are, never heard of them, but if there's is, lets say, a big political party unifying the criteria of the agenda then there are those agendas.

Gays don't have a central political organization, there're political agendas of gay people, but there isn't a unified (or at least generalized) agenda.

There is enough unification and organization that embedded marketing casting homosexuality in a favorable light takes place.

The favourable portrayal of homosexuality doesn't necessarily mean there's an organization. A wet floor doesn't always mean it's raining.

How do you define agenda?

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25-07-2013, 10:29 PM (This post was last modified: 25-07-2013 10:32 PM by Heywood Jahblome.)
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(25-07-2013 09:26 PM)nach_in Wrote:  
(25-07-2013 08:33 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  There is enough unification and organization that embedded marketing casting homosexuality in a favorable light takes place.

The favourable portrayal of homosexuality doesn't necessarily mean there's an organization. A wet floor doesn't always mean it's raining.

How do you define agenda?

And sometimes its not porn but art. I think I'm pretty good at recognizing porn when I see it, and I think I pretty good at recognizing embedded marketing when I see it.

"Today's opinion is the product of a Court, which is the product of a law-profession culture, that has largely signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda, by which I mean the agenda promoted by some homosexual activists directed at eliminating the moral opprobrium that has traditionally attached to homosexual conduct" - Scalia

In that quote I would take , "Agenda" to mean "underlying ideological plan or program"
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25-07-2013, 10:45 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(25-07-2013 10:29 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(25-07-2013 09:26 PM)nach_in Wrote:  The favourable portrayal of homosexuality doesn't necessarily mean there's an organization. A wet floor doesn't always mean it's raining.

How do you define agenda?

And sometimes its not porn but art. I think I'm pretty good at recognizing porn when I see it, and I think I pretty good at recognizing embedded marketing when I see it.

"Today's opinion is the product of a Court, which is the product of a law-profession culture, that has largely signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda, by which I mean the agenda promoted by some homosexual activists directed at eliminating the moral opprobrium that has traditionally attached to homosexual conduct" - Scalia

In that quote I would take , "Agenda" to mean "underlying ideological plan or program"

Again, embedded marketing doesn't necessarily point towards an established organization with a global scale plan.

I like this guy Scalia definition, it limits the definition to some activists and defines the goal generally enough as to include pretty much every gay in the world.

The "plan or program" part of your definition I don't share, it has this conspiracy smell to it... I'd say "underlying ideological tendency or interest"

Otherwise gays are represented as some sort of secret society with the world in their hands and up to no good... We are just a bunch of guys who just want people not to attack us when we hold hands and stuff...

It may sounds the same to you, but the political gravitation of our interests are far simpler than what "GAY AGENDA" makes it sound...

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25-07-2013, 10:48 PM
RE: The Homosexual Agenda
(25-07-2013 01:58 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(25-07-2013 12:39 PM)ridethespiral Wrote:  So this is the funniest (and also clearly ignorant and stupid) argument against gay marriage I've every heard. The guy is a nutter crossed with a moron but I can't stop laughing...




I would laugh but he was responsible (in part) for passing a law that has the death sentence for homosexuality. I think we should stop all aid to any country that has such a law. Hell full on ostracization from the global economy until they join the rest of us in the 21st century.

yeabut, how can you do that when you yourself (the US) have not given all gay's equal rights?
It'd be hypocritical.

Quote:I had no idea they take this clown so seriously. The first time I saw it I thought it was a gag.

Oh son, with the exception of South Africa you have no idea how anti-gay Africa is. It's crazy. When the Middle east is more advanced then you, you know you're fucked up.

It's the church. The church is losing/lost influence in the west and so is branching out to Africa. Like a cult targeting the poor and vulnerable, but on a huge scale.

Quote:Fucking insidious equal rights. Angry

Meh, equal rights are overrated.

Quote:There is enough unification and organization that embedded marketing casting homosexuality in a favorable light takes place.

You say it like it's a bad thing.
Gayness is not a political ideology...

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