The "Humble Yourself and Ask, and He Will Answer" Straw Man
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29-01-2013, 04:11 PM
The "Humble Yourself and Ask, and He Will Answer" Straw Man
One frequently hears--especially from Born Again Christians, "(All you have to do) is humble yourself and ask for God to appear, and He will do so." This is a self-refuting dichotomy. Let's look at the definition of "humble":

hum·ble /ˈhəmbəl/
Adjective
Having or showing a modest or low estimate of one's own importance.

The theist says, "The Creator of the Universe loves me personally. My love and worship is important to the Creator of the Universe. The Creator of the Universe hears my prayers and watches over me. All I have to do is simply ask, and the Creator will hear and love me."

The atheist says, "I am an insignificant speck in the fabric of time and space, fortunate to be among the very few in history to have consciousness at a moment when--with effort--we can come to understand so much about our origins and the universe."

Which of these claims sounds more humble to you?

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29-01-2013, 04:14 PM
RE: The "Humble Yourself and Ask, and He Will Answer" Straw Man
(29-01-2013 04:11 PM)Human Being Wrote:  One frequently hears--especially from Born Again Christians, "(All you have to do) is humble yourself and ask for God to appear, and He will do so." This is a self-refuting dichotomy. Let's look at the definition of "humble":

hum·ble /ˈhəmbəl/
Adjective
Having or showing a modest or low estimate of one's own importance.

The theist says, "The Creator of the Universe loves me personally. My love and worship is important to the Creator of the Universe. The Creator of the Universe hears my prayers and watches over me. All I have to do is simply ask, and the Creator will hear and love me."

The atheist says, "I am an insignificant speck in the fabric of time and space, fortunate to be among the very few in history to have consciousness at a moment when--with effort--we can come to understand so much about our origins and the universe."

Which of these claims sounds more humble to you?
We don't want to go throwing around definitions, theists won't like if we start getting all technical...

But the second one! Big Grin

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29-01-2013, 04:35 PM
RE: The "Humble Yourself and Ask, and He Will Answer" Straw Man
If we're the humble ones after all, one can't help but wonder why God always reveals himself to the self-righteous faith-heads instead. Consider

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29-01-2013, 04:38 PM
RE: The "Humble Yourself and Ask, and He Will Answer" Straw Man
Funny how that works right?

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29-01-2013, 04:41 PM
RE: The "Humble Yourself and Ask, and He Will Answer" Straw Man
It boggles the mind. Shocking

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29-01-2013, 04:42 PM
RE: The "Humble Yourself and Ask, and He Will Answer" Straw Man
I think there is a place for humbleness, but not becoming humble over, and believing, weird doctrines.
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30-01-2013, 03:27 AM
RE: The "Humble Yourself and Ask, and He Will Answer" Straw Man
(29-01-2013 04:38 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  Funny how that works right?


Wasn't that one of the points Christopher Hitchens always brought up?

If God did exists and wanted to reveal himself, why did he only do so in barbaric and superstitious parts of the middle east, and not in China where they had rudimentary science and the printing press?




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30-01-2013, 02:33 PM
RE: The "Humble Yourself and Ask, and He Will Answer" Straw Man
I've shared the "ask and receive" principle, but I've never used the word humble. Humility has to do with the exaltation of a Christian and not a non-Christian seeking Jesus IMO and IMBO.
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30-01-2013, 02:44 PM
RE: The "Humble Yourself and Ask, and He Will Answer" Straw Man
(30-01-2013 02:33 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Humility has to do with the exaltation of a Christian and not a non-Christian seeking Jesus IMO and IMBO.
So by that logic, humility didn't exist before Jesus was born? Consider

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30-01-2013, 02:52 PM
RE: The "Humble Yourself and Ask, and He Will Answer" Straw Man
(30-01-2013 02:44 PM)Vosur Wrote:  Sorry if I was unclear. Biblicallly speaking, humility is an opportunity for people, Christian and nonChristian. But whoever (humble or not) seeks God will find.



(30-01-2013 02:33 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Humility has to do with the exaltation of a Christian and not a non-Christian seeking Jesus IMO and IMBO.
So by that logic, humility didn't exist before Jesus was born? Consider
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