The Idea of a God Is Not So Crazy
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16-04-2014, 01:16 PM
RE: The Idea of a God Is Not So Crazy
(16-04-2014 01:00 PM)elconquistador Wrote:  I retract my idea.

... It's fun to play games like this. Don't ever feel that you shouldn't throw out half-formed half-baked weird ideas for discussion, that's all good. The most important thing to learn is how to refine half-baked stuff into good hard testable ideas, or how to decide that they're not worth bothering with, and throwing it open for discussion *provided that you learn from that discussion* is a very good place to start Smile

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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16-04-2014, 01:17 PM
RE: The Idea of a God Is Not So Crazy
(16-04-2014 01:07 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(16-04-2014 01:00 PM)elconquistador Wrote:  Yes, I used theism and deism enter changeably because they both imply the same thing in common: a cause.
*interchangeably

(16-04-2014 01:00 PM)elconquistador Wrote:  But anyways, after reading this and recieving comments on another forum my idea is completely void and mute, or rather, irrelevant now.
*receiving

(16-04-2014 01:04 PM)elconquistador Wrote:  Thank you so much for you input.
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16-04-2014, 01:17 PM
RE: The Idea of a God Is Not So Crazy
(16-04-2014 01:07 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(16-04-2014 01:00 PM)elconquistador Wrote:  Yes, I used theism and deism enter changeably because they both imply the same thing in common: a cause.
*interchangeably

(16-04-2014 01:00 PM)elconquistador Wrote:  But anyways, after reading this and recieving comments on another forum my idea is completely void and mute, or rather, irrelevant now.
*receiving

(16-04-2014 01:04 PM)elconquistador Wrote:  Thank you so much for you input.
*your

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*fuck you

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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16-04-2014, 01:24 PM
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(16-04-2014 12:39 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  It all seemed very sensible and stuff but you did slip one line inbetween all of it which seems to be the crux of your argument and which, if I was being unkind, may describe as a line you do not want to draw attention to.

Quote:That being said, I think it is inherently unavoidable to come upon the idea of a god or creator.

Could you elaborate on this please.

Absolutely. As shown by history, theism, superstition, and religion has been an unavoidable inclination of the human race. I've seen theists and atheists alike go back in forth. It's almost as if it is inherently unavoidable to think about a god, afterlife, ect. That's why I'm saying it's not too crazy because eventually every human being has to stumble upon the question and answer it for himself.

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16-04-2014, 01:27 PM
RE: The Idea of a God Is Not So Crazy
(16-04-2014 01:07 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(16-04-2014 01:00 PM)elconquistador Wrote:  Yes, I used theism and deism enter changeably because they both imply the same thing in common: a cause.
*interchangeably

(16-04-2014 01:00 PM)elconquistador Wrote:  But anyways, after reading this and recieving comments on another forum my idea is completely void and mute, or rather, irrelevant now.
*receiving

(16-04-2014 01:04 PM)elconquistador Wrote:  Thank you so much for you input.
*your

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i supose i mus start pruf reeding my posts than, shudent i? thank u for the correctshuns. Smile

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16-04-2014, 01:29 PM
RE: The Idea of a God Is Not So Crazy
(16-04-2014 01:16 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(16-04-2014 01:00 PM)elconquistador Wrote:  I retract my idea.

... It's fun to play games like this. Don't ever feel that you shouldn't throw out half-formed half-baked weird ideas for discussion, that's all good. The most important thing to learn is how to refine half-baked stuff into good hard testable ideas, or how to decide that they're not worth bothering with, and throwing it open for discussion *provided that you learn from that discussion* is a very good place to start Smile

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Thank you so much. I totally agree. Smile

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16-04-2014, 01:40 PM
RE: The Idea of a God Is Not So Crazy
(16-04-2014 01:24 PM)elconquistador Wrote:  
(16-04-2014 12:39 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  It all seemed very sensible and stuff but you did slip one line inbetween all of it which seems to be the crux of your argument and which, if I was being unkind, may describe as a line you do not want to draw attention to.


Could you elaborate on this please.

Absolutely. As shown by history, theism, superstition, and religion has been an unavoidable inclination of the human race. I've seen theists and atheists alike go back in forth. It's almost as if it is inherently unavoidable to think about a god, afterlife, ect. That's why I'm saying it's not too crazy because eventually every human being has to stumble upon the question and answer it for himself.

I don't know that that's a justifiable claim.

Real data would be controlled data - human societies without outside contact. And there's no such thing... Some form of religious belief predates (so far as we can tell) any founder populations - it's tens of thousands of years old.

I might go along as far as saying some form of theist belief is likely (not necessary) when there are no compelling alternatives (ie, pre-modern societies with no scientific understanding), but that's just an outgrowth of our vaunted pattern recognition - false pattern implies false cause, an agent is a possible cause. You can train the same superstitions into pigeons, and nobody's saying they're theists.

But if you want further anecdata, I can say as someone raised without any religion that while the same sorts of questions always occurred to me (who, what, where, when, and why, as applied to myself, human beings, and the universe in general) there sure as fuck was never a moment when I thought the answer was "I don't know THEREFORE SKY DADDY".

But maybe that's just because most people aren't lucky enough to be taught that "I don't know X, therefore I do know X, because I don't know not-X" is the logical equivalent of fixing a clogged pipe by shitting into it.

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16-04-2014, 01:49 PM
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(16-04-2014 01:16 PM)morondog Wrote:  ....
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16-04-2014, 01:53 PM
RE: The Idea of a God Is Not So Crazy
What we don't know, we don't know and made up bullshit will always be made up bullshit.
So I disagree, the Idea of a God is actually very crazy.

Theism is to believe what other people claim, Atheism is to ask "why should I".
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16-04-2014, 02:00 PM
RE: The Idea of a God Is Not So Crazy
This post feels like déjà vu. Did I just read this at AF?

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