The Invention Of The Jewish People
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04-04-2013, 02:54 AM
The Invention Of The Jewish People
Is a book written by an Israeli professor of history at Tel-Aviv univeristy, Shlomo Sand.

Here is a lecture in which he runs through his books major claims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EmvANgw9Mk

It states that the idea of a "jewish people" was invented in the 1800's when european nationalism was on the rise many european jews also began to look back in history and classify themselves as "a people" or "ethnic group".

The book also challenges the notion that the modern day jewish people are descendants of any group in the biblical times. The book points out extensive historical research showing that early followers of judaism happily intermarried and assimilated with other cultures, either from being conquered or conquering themselves.

The book also challenges the biblical story of the pharaoh letting jewish slaves free, then these slaves founding a nation etc etc. There is no evidence for any of these religious myths. These myths are exaggerated, made up and falsified much like any peoples makes up things about their past to make them feel more proud.

It wasn't until modern times when the jewish people considered themselves a race and that one couldn't convert to be a member of that "race". The author points out that throughout most of judaisms history, followers of judaism were converted, intermarried into other cultures and religions.

The idea of a jewish "people" or "race" is totally made up, and the grounds used to make this up are religious writings on things that are historical exaggerations or never happened.

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04-04-2013, 02:59 AM
RE: The Invention Of The Jewish People
The Jewish "people" (heavy on the "people" in the European nationalist sense) may have started in the1800s, but Jews as an identifiable group in Europe with cultural continuity started much earlier, though not of course as early as the Bible says.

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04-04-2013, 03:03 AM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2013 06:28 PM by Doctor X.)
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04-04-2013, 03:09 AM
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(04-04-2013 02:59 AM)Abdul Alhazred Wrote:  The Jewish "people" (heavy on the "people" in the European nationalist sense) may have started in the1800s, but Jews as an identifiable group in Europe with cultural continuity started much earlier, though not of course as early as the Bible says.


There never was a cultural continuity. The author points out in the beginning of his book and the lecture I posted above that the jewish people don't have a specific language, food, music etc etc, any of the things that one could classify a group by don't exist. In early Judaism and Islam, many cultures existed side by side and assimilated with one another, including intermarriage and conversions to or from islam or christianity or judiaism. Religions don't have a cultural continuity because many areas of the world that are different, believe in the same religions. An Islamic person in Nigeria will not be culturally the same as an Islamic person in Syria for example. A christian in Syria is not the same culturally as a christian in New York. The idea that Jewish people are of one "ethnicity" or "race" is total fabrication and there were many jewish sects in different parts of the ancient world.
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04-04-2013, 05:25 AM
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If this is some way to downplay the "holocaust" as not being a "holocaust" then you're fucking retarded, 6million dead is still 6million dead.

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04-04-2013, 06:15 AM
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"Religions don't have a cultural continuity"
Seriously? Smile

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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04-04-2013, 06:27 AM
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(04-04-2013 05:25 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  If this is some way to downplay the "holocaust" as not being a "holocaust" then you're fucking retarded, 6million dead is still 6million dead.

Stop trying to defend child rape and stick to the issue of the thread. If this is some way for you to defend child rape then you are fucking retarded.

Two can play that game.
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04-04-2013, 06:29 AM
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(04-04-2013 06:15 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  "Religions don't have a cultural continuity"
Seriously? Smile

nope, not enough to say "the followers of x religion are of the same culture"
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04-04-2013, 06:42 AM
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(04-04-2013 06:27 AM)I and I Wrote:  
(04-04-2013 05:25 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  If this is some way to downplay the "holocaust" as not being a "holocaust" then you're fucking retarded, 6million dead is still 6million dead.

Stop trying to defend child rape and stick to the issue of the thread. If this is some way for you to defend child rape then you are fucking retarded.

Two can play that game.

The level of toxicity in your reply InI - Muffs hit the nail on the head hard, eh?

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04-04-2013, 06:47 AM
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There multiple sub cultures, the Yiddish culture differed from the Hasidic and all that jazz. There's major dividers in every culture.

But yes, big deal. The identification of a group went hand in hand with 1800s nationalism booms. That's just a bit of the trend. It doesn't change anything relevant. Even of they aren't mainly direct descendents.
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