The Irrational Nature Of Atheism
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20-10-2012, 08:23 PM
RE: The Irrational Nature Of Atheism
"I think there's a little bit of confusion on your part. The definitions of words change over time and their meaning is dependant on the context in which they are used, as well as on the cultural background of the person who is using them. In the case of atheism (a lack of belief in gods) the term "god" refers to a supernatural deity."
Vosur [sic]

"The Theist doesn't seem to grasp the concept of polysemous words and that the meaning of words is, among other factors, dependent on the context in which they are used in."
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20-10-2012, 08:24 PM
RE: The Irrational Nature Of Atheism
lol

I mean.

I don't even know what to say... or where to start.

Gross over generalizations.
Lots of unnecessary history and gibberish.
Using the Bible as evidence for atheists.
The most WTF logic I've seen in a long time.
Using the dictionary and denotation as an argument.
Completely ignoring the fact that ideas aren't necessarily defined into a coagulated group but they still have a reality and still exist.

This is just silly.

Edit:
While I have you here. Would you mind explaining this?

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20-10-2012, 08:26 PM
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(20-10-2012 08:24 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  lol

I mean.

I don't even know what to say... or where to start.

Gross over generalizations.
Lots of unnecessary history and gibberish.
Using the Bible as evidence for atheists.
The most WTF logic I've seen in a long time.
Using the dictionary and denotation as an argument.
Completely ignoring the fact that ideas aren't necessarily defined into a coagulated group but they still have a reality and still exist.

This is just silly.

I guess that's why he's called The Theist! LOL

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20-10-2012, 08:27 PM
RE: The Irrational Nature Of Atheism
Rejecting the idea of something that has no supporting evidence is rational.

Reading a book that says something is real and believing it because it says its right with no supporting evidence except what that book says is completely irrational.

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20-10-2012, 08:38 PM
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(20-10-2012 08:24 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  lol

I mean.

I don't even know what to say... or where to start.

Gross over generalizations.
Lots of unnecessary history and gibberish.
Using the Bible as evidence for atheists.
The most WTF logic I've seen in a long time.
Using the dictionary and denotation as an argument.
Completely ignoring the fact that ideas aren't necessarily defined into a coagulated group but they still have a reality and still exist.

This is just silly.

Edit:
While I have you here. Would you mind explaining this?

Oh, that . . . well that is just scratching the surface. I'm going to be very nice and polite to everyone here and then . . . I'm going to chase your ignorant, pathetic punk ass bitch ass out of Dodge.

Got it?
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20-10-2012, 08:40 PM (This post was last modified: 20-10-2012 08:48 PM by Vosur.)
RE: The Irrational Nature Of Atheism
Now for a more elaborate rebuttal.

(20-10-2012 07:56 PM)The Theist Wrote:  1 Corinthians 8:5-6 For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.
Irrelevant to the modern usage of the word.

(20-10-2012 07:56 PM)The Theist Wrote:  Wikipedia Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.
Sounds about right.

(20-10-2012 07:56 PM)The Theist Wrote:  Merriam Webster Definition of GOD
1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshiped as creator and ruler of the universe b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind 2 : a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality 3 : a person or thing of supreme value 4 : a powerful ruler See god defined for English-language learners »See god defined for kids »
Merriam Webster is not an authority in the realm of dictionaries. In fact, Oxford dictionary, for example, is much more reputable.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition...n=us&q=god

(20-10-2012 07:56 PM)The Theist Wrote:  Atheists are a peculiar thinking people.
Non-sequitur. People are born without a belief in god (i.e. as atheists).

(20-10-2012 07:56 PM)The Theist Wrote:  If you try and define atheism they will angrily tell you that to be an atheist simply means that one doesn't believe in the existence of a god or gods.
Unfounded generalization.

(20-10-2012 07:56 PM)The Theist Wrote:  If you tell them that you were once an atheist they will angrily tell you that you must not have been a "real" atheist. This has happened to me dozens of times.
Unfounded generalization. Furthermore, I've never heard an atheist say that ever. It's usually coming from theists. Either way, it's a logical fallacy known as "No true scotsman".

(20-10-2012 07:56 PM)The Theist Wrote:  If you tell an atheist that according to the Bible and a good modern dictionary a god can be anything or anyone they will say you are distorting definitions to suit your own paradigm and your are intellectually dishonest or disingenuous. The fact is, atheists tend to be extremely emotionally fixed upon their idealism, even more so than the religious, and they tend to be grossly ignorant of the Bible because they oppose modern day Christianity and to a lesser extent, any other theology.
Unfounded generalization. Other than that, it's meaningless to me that you pick and choose your definition of the word "god" from a specific dictionary you chose because it suits your argument. Your reasoning shows a major confirmation bias. Furthermore, you are completely ignorant of the fact that the meaning and definitions of words are not fixed and that no dictionary is an absolute authority. Hell, I can provide you with plenty other dictionaries that have other definitions of the term "god".

(20-10-2012 07:56 PM)The Theist Wrote:  This is my attempt to educate the atheists on what exactly a god, or deity is. God, Gods, Goddesses. The primary argument is that atheism is the disbelief of gods, it denies the existence of gods. The methodology consists of nothing more than the practical common usage of the word God, but no such distinction within the basic tenant of atheism is given, besides, the common usage of a word doesn't negate the other possible uses. The other defense is that the other gods are metaphorical. This is false, because all gods are equally metaphorical in application. The very root of the Hebrew and Greek words for gods indicates this.

What Is A God

The Hebrew word El and variations of it are translated into the English word God. It means "Mighty; Strong." The Greek word theos is the equivalent, and was used to translate El, Elohim, etc. in the Greek Septuagint of the Hebrew scriptures. When the Hebrew El appears with the definite article ha (ha El, literally meaning "the God" in the Bible it was in reference strictly to Jehovah, but the various terms used without the definite article may be applied to Jehovah, to other gods, to men.

Isaiah 9:6 For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God [Hebrew El Gibbohr], Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 9:6 is a prophecy of Jesus Christ, who was a man, and is called a mighty God.

Psalm 82:1, 6 God [Hebrew Elohim] is stationing himself in the assembly of the Divine One; In the middle of the gods [Hebrew elohim] he judges: "I myself have said, 'You are gods [Hebrew elohim], And all of you are sons of the Most High.'"

Here Jehovah God calls the human judges of Israel, some of whom were faithful and some of whom were not, gods.

John 10:34, 35 Jesus answered them: "Is it not written in your Law, 'I said: "You are gods [Greek theoi, Hebrew elohim]?'" If he called 'gods' those against whom the word of God came, and yet the Scripture cannot be nullified,

Here Jesus is faced with the same sort of religiosity that the modern day atheist, under the influence of the modern day misguided theist, displays. A poor understanding and almost superstitious definition of what it means to be a god. He corrects them with their own sacred text, Psalm 82:1, 6, given above.

Exodus 4:16; 7:1 And he must speak for you to the people; and it must occur that he will serve as a mouth to you, and you will serve as God [Hebrew lelohim] to him. Consequently Jehovah said to Moses: "See, I have made you God [Hebrew elohim] to Pharaoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet."

Here again Jehovah God refers to a man, Moses, as an appointed God to Pharaoh and to Aaron. All of these verses of men being gods simply mean that they are mighty, strong. Because that is what the word god means. Anything or anyone who is attributed might or is venerated by another. So Jehovah was the God of Israel, meaning he was mighty to Israel, he was venerated by Israel. Dagon was the god [elohim] to the Philistines. (1 Samuel 5:7)

The problem is that atheists as well as most theists see this as some sort of metaphoric distinction, and that isn't the case. They see the one true God negating the others as false and that isn't necessarily so. Some gods of the nations were "valueless gods" in Jehovah's eyes and supposedly to the faithful Israelites, but that didn't mean that all of the other gods were false, or even that any of them were any less of a god in the eyes of the beholder, because that is what a God is. Something or someone with might or strength in the eyes of the beholder.

Why The Confusion?

Jeremiah 23:27
They are thinking of making my people forget my name by means of their dreams that they keep relating each one to the other, just as their fathers forgot my name by means of Baal.

There is some confusion, though note that the above definition of a god from a modern dictionary is really in line with what I'm saying a god is. The confusion is caused by the superstitious removal of Jehovah God's name from the scriptures by the Sopherim. The Sopherim, or scribes, changed 134 passages in the Hebrew texts to read Adhonai [Generic term LORD] in place of the tetragrammaton, YHWH, Jehovah God's personal name. They did this in a superstitious attempt to prevent the common man from profaning the name. So when you see LORD in all upper case it is where the name has been removed.

Afterwards, the generic title of God became somewhat distorted into being applied exclusively to the God of Israel. The God of the Bible. This is the equivalent of saying you don't believe in man because Adam probably didn't exist.
The usage of the term "god" in the Bible is completely irrelevant to it's modern day usage.

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20-10-2012, 08:40 PM
RE: The Irrational Nature Of Atheism
This thread would be more accurately titled: "The Irrational Nature of Using the Bible to Prove the Statements in the Bible"

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20-10-2012, 08:45 PM
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(20-10-2012 08:38 PM)The Theist Wrote:  
(20-10-2012 08:24 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  lol

I mean.

I don't even know what to say... or where to start.

Gross over generalizations.
Lots of unnecessary history and gibberish.
Using the Bible as evidence for atheists.
The most WTF logic I've seen in a long time.
Using the dictionary and denotation as an argument.
Completely ignoring the fact that ideas aren't necessarily defined into a coagulated group but they still have a reality and still exist.

This is just silly.

Edit:
While I have you here. Would you mind explaining this?

Oh, that . . . well that is just scratching the surface. I'm going to be very nice and polite to everyone here and then . . . I'm going to chase your ignorant, pathetic punk ass bitch ass out of Dodge.

Got it?

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20-10-2012, 08:47 PM
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(20-10-2012 08:27 PM)FSM_scot Wrote:  Rejecting the idea of something that has no supporting evidence is rational.

Yes, it is, and I have met 2 atheists in my lifetime who bothered to do that, and I respect their decision. Slandering the Bible out of ignorance is another story. Theist or Atheist.

(20-10-2012 08:27 PM)FSM_scot Wrote:  Reading a book that says something is real and believing it because it says its right with no supporting evidence except what that book says is completely irrational.

No, that is educational. Read a science book.
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20-10-2012, 08:50 PM
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(20-10-2012 08:47 PM)The Theist Wrote:  No, that is educational. Read a science book.

(A science book doesn't use a circuital argument! It actually has evidence. Just a FYI...)

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