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24-03-2014, 06:00 PM
RE: The JE Walker debates commentary thread
I see him weaseling out of future deb--oh wait, that's just how he "debates." Never mind.

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24-03-2014, 06:11 PM
RE: The JE Walker debates commentary thread
(24-03-2014 05:37 PM)Stevil Wrote:  Yeah, but...
In all fairness, atheists are clicking like on your posts and theists are clicking like on his. This is an atheist forum after all.

However, you have gained many more likes than me, so I am more than happy to declare you the winner.
Well done!

Exciting additional data!

Since he decided to - *ahem* - debate us, my rep has gone up 4 and yours has gone up 2.

JE W's has gone down by 10.

Science!

If this sounds like I'm being incredibly petty, it's because I am. Because fuck that guy.

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24-03-2014, 06:12 PM
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(23-03-2014 07:10 PM)Monster_Riffs Wrote:  
(23-03-2014 06:49 PM)Baruch Wrote:  The problem is some humans are on slow dial up modem & others on super high broadband. The cosmologists doing real physics have learned to widen broad band capabilities using the analogy. Like inventing the microscope and some person on low bandwidth comes along denying bacteria because its not intuitive "cos I cant see them and uhhhh...looking through expanding glass lenses is not intuitive cos I was not born that way"

I am not well versed in physics but reading cjlr's arguments, I am getting my head around what he is saying in a layman's way.

It will help me to get it more coherently, if I bounce it of you sciency kids in here.

I am hearing it like this.

1. All things we know and understand exist within a box.
2. The box is called the universe.
3. Time, cause and effect exist inside the box.
4. Outside of the box we have no idea if any of these principles apply, or need to apply.

That's what I'm getting from cjlr's position.

The new kid.

1. 2. 3. Same.
4. Can't bend my mind around cjlr's point 4, so I will assume our box simply belongs inside a bigger box which follows the exact same rules as our aforementioned smaller box.

Is this about right?
If so, does this not bring about a Russian doll style infinite regression problem?

I'm looking forward to the 'therefore because God, specifically the Abrahamic God' bit. I can see it coming, as I'm sure we all can, that's going to take some comedic mental gymnastics!

Popcorn

Yeh, but in laymans terms:

....but its a REALLY, REALLY BIG BOX with no edges and technically no outside.

OK, layman's intuitions are beginning to explode.

A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence -
David Hume


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24-03-2014, 06:58 PM
RE: The JE Walker debates commentary thread
Well, that's an hour of this one life I have that I'll never get back. Thanks guys.

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24-03-2014, 07:02 PM
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24-03-2014, 07:03 PM
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Oops, wrong thread. Sorry.
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24-03-2014, 07:20 PM (This post was last modified: 24-03-2014 07:45 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: The JE Walker debates commentary thread
(24-03-2014 08:36 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  I see you need help in staying focused and on track here so I am going to help you.

1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause for its existence.

Why do you believe that the negation of the above proposition i.e. not everything that begins to exist has a cause for its existence is more plausibly true than everything that begins to exist has a cause for its existence?

If you need help, let me know.

A premise needs to be self-evident and incontrovertible. That premise is neither. Rejected out of hand. Negating it is not only not required for rejection, it's a fucking fool's errand ... quixotic bullshit and tilting at windmills ... and shit. ... be careful with your premises, bitches. Tongue

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24-03-2014, 07:38 PM
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(24-03-2014 06:11 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Since he decided to - *ahem* - debate us, my rep has gone up 4...

5.

Well done. Thumbsup

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24-03-2014, 07:50 PM
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(24-03-2014 07:02 PM)Charis Wrote:  [Image: tim-mcgraw.jpg]

Actually kind of perfect.

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24-03-2014, 08:12 PM
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(24-03-2014 05:00 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  It looks like Jeremy has given up.

He's over at Biola Crap College asking for a refund of all that wasted tuition.

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