The Merits of Atheism and the Mistake it Makes
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14-01-2015, 09:48 PM
RE: The Merits of Atheism and the Mistake it Makes
(14-01-2015 09:43 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(14-01-2015 09:38 PM)AlephBet Wrote:  Yes, but I want to ensure Atheists at least understand the correct view and interpretation of them. Atheists have the view of Yahweh correct, but not what it means in comparison to the Son (Self). The point is to overcome the Ego of the ruler for the Love of the Father.

Know God by knowing and mastering yourself. This is the point of ALL scriptures you will read.

Oh yes. Always the "my view is the correct view". I mean seriously. After thousands of years, and billions of beleibers, and YOU have the "correct view".
You ARE insane.

Nothing here is my view. It is the view I have realized as the truth scriptures is presenting. It is most definitely not a view originating with me. Read the Upanishads. You will find this all defined, even stating the Lord is the Self in everyone. The Jews knew this, writing this truth into their own story. It's origin is ancient and eternal. All nations (Rainbow) are promised blessing, not simply one nation. Again, this was Yahweh's Ego to rule.

The billions of believers you mention know this truth as well, but do not realize that the characters in the Bible are elements of creation. I showed this in the OP. Did you read the very first scripture quoted. The Son of God is ALL things. Not some things. ALL.
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14-01-2015, 09:48 PM
RE: The Merits of Atheism and the Mistake it Makes
(14-01-2015 09:27 PM)AlephBet Wrote:  Know Thyself to know God, then enter the Kingdom.

Dude. Ain't we been like through this already multiple times and shit.

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14-01-2015, 09:48 PM
RE: The Merits of Atheism and the Mistake it Makes
(14-01-2015 09:42 PM)AlephBet Wrote:  
(14-01-2015 09:39 PM)Clockwork Wrote:  Same thread, different place?

The premise is that you have one thing right. The Ego of Yahweh is worth overcoming. What you miss is using that Ego to then judge the Son...

I've been nice to you enough. You don't want to be challenged. You didn't even address what I said.

What you want is to babble incoherently to feel superior and holy.

You can't teach me anything since my days as a kabbalist. Your word salad and constant quotes show that you do not want to discuss or take challenges. You don't answer, but just quote more.

I was hoping for honest discussion, but you are not interested.
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14-01-2015, 09:49 PM
RE: The Merits of Atheism and the Mistake it Makes
(14-01-2015 09:38 PM)AlephBet Wrote:  
(14-01-2015 09:28 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  I don’t subscribe to your scriptures, got anything else?

Yes, but I want to ensure Atheists at least understand the correct view and interpretation of them. Atheists have the view of Yahweh correct, but not what it means in comparison to the Son (Self). The point is to overcome the Ego of the ruler for the Love of the Father.

Know God by knowing and mastering yourself. This is the point of ALL scriptures you will read.

Doesn’t mean anything to me, got anything else?

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14-01-2015, 09:50 PM
RE: The Merits of Atheism and the Mistake it Makes
(14-01-2015 09:46 PM)pablo Wrote:  
Quote:Know God by knowing and mastering yourself.

Go master your own self.

Working on it. Meanwhile, read the OP. With such quick responses, it is evident that the OP is not being considered, but bias engages instantly. Overcome the ego to know why you should. I can't say this any differently. Once you do, the world opens as a flower.
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14-01-2015, 09:54 PM
RE: The Merits of Atheism and the Mistake it Makes
(14-01-2015 09:48 PM)Clockwork Wrote:  
(14-01-2015 09:42 PM)AlephBet Wrote:  The premise is that you have one thing right. The Ego of Yahweh is worth overcoming. What you miss is using that Ego to then judge the Son...

I've been nice to you enough. You don't want to be challenged. You didn't even address what I said.

What you want is to babble incoherently to feel superior and holy.

You can't teach me anything since my days as a kabbalist. Your word salad and constant quotes show that you do not want to discuss or take challenges. You don't answer, but just quote more.

I was hoping for honest discussion, but you are not interested.

I would love to hear about your experience with Kaballah by comparison. I also study this as part of my research.

What I know is this. The will of the creator is to give and receive only. Taking is the mark of the Ego.

"According to Kabbalah, the ego is defined as the ״will to receive pleasure.״ It׳s not that having a will to receive pleasure causes clashes among us. It׳s that the intention for which we use this desire is aimed at pleasing ourselves. Transforming our intention is the work in Kabbalah." LINK
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14-01-2015, 09:56 PM
RE: The Merits of Atheism and the Mistake it Makes
So basically, once again, your whole argument relies on the argument from scripture which comes from a source that is always defended using circular logic. Those scripture passages are true because they say they are true.

Why can you not see this as a fallacy?


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14-01-2015, 09:58 PM
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(14-01-2015 09:27 PM)AlephBet Wrote:  Even after 52 Pages, I'm still a believer.

Oddly, I still don't believe.


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14-01-2015, 10:01 PM
RE: The Merits of Atheism and the Mistake it Makes
(14-01-2015 09:27 PM)AlephBet Wrote:  Even after 52 Pages, I'm still a believer. I do see merit in the Atheist stance in one area: Atheists have correctly identified Yahweh as false compared to what God should be. In this, you have overcome the error of the Son of God, but continued to judge Him. He has overcome. This is also the mistake as well. Allow me to show you what you are doing to your "SELF."

Follow the story I present. Temporarily set aside your disbelief and bias for a moment and simply discuss the story I present. I am not trying to convince you about belief, but in the way you understand the story of God, The Son of God and Yahweh / Satan. I says Yahweh / Satan for a good reason. Yahweh made Satan, as stated in Genesis 3:1. This is an important point to note as you read along. We each make Satan.

The Son of God is this:

Colossians 1

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

First, note that invisible in relation to the true God means he cannot be detected by us in any way apart from His terms. Not visible to any sense we might have. Second, note that all the things we can detect are the Son of God, meaning the entire Cosmos. Rulers such as Yahweh and Satan are the Son of God as well. To get to the Father, we first come through the Son, which we are now IN. You and I are the Son of God, as the scriptures point out next verse:

17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

We are called the church, or the sheep that are guided below. He is the head, or authority of the body. Remember, all things. Not some. There are no divisions here. We are all the Son of God, as is our universe. We are in the Son. Literally.

From this, we can make some remarkable improvements to our presuppositions. By this, we find how incorrect Christian Theology is in comparison to what scripture actually states about he Son.

Short version of a long story:

In Genesis 1, Elohim creates Adam. Elohim is both Father (EL) and Mother (Ruach Elohim). Ruach means Spirit and Elohim is translated God. We all know the Trinity, or Father, Son and Holy Spirit. What we miss in this is that the Mother is not named a mother, but instead the Spirit (Holy aspect by intent). She is consciousness, or the caretaker of our mind, body and soul. The Father is Strength (Aleph) and House (Bet), or Strong House, the one pulling the cart (body). The Mother is Aleph Mem (Water), or Strong Water. The Son is Bet Nun, or House of Seed (nun). When the Father's Aleph Bet (DNA) enters the Mother's womb (CUP), seed and water bake in an oven making the Bread of Life. What I just showed you is a mystery revealed by DNA and the symbolism hidden in the root names of Father, Mother and Son. Christians don't even know this for the most part. I have never met one who does.

Here is the key to the rest of this puzzle. Adam is the Son of God (noted at the very end of Luke 3). Adam is mankind, or the entire universe as the microcosm to the macrocosm. We are the image of the Son. The son is the image of God (Pleroma / Upper Heavens).

1) Presupposition 1: Adam's Ego is Yahweh. Clearly, we see the will to rule others. By this, we easily see the Ego in ourselves.

2) Presupposition 2: Adam's conscience is Satan (Accuser). We can easily see this by the fact that Yahweh made (necessitated) Satan as a necessity. Judgement of others must be accused for our mind to know we sin.

3) Presupposition 3: The prime reason for allowing the Son of God to rule an image (Hologram of Heaven) is to raise the Son to maturity. Unless he is given the task at hand, he cannot learn. We are speaking here of the Son of a Creator God. It takes a universe to raise a child, if you are a child of God, as we all are.

4) Presupposition 4: By this, we know who we are in relation. The entire universe is easily seen as a fractal repeating. Mankind has created their own universe in silicone. Ask a simple question. How long before we can step into the Movie Avatar? How long before theaters have headsets that put you into a state of inconscience, allowing you to then be the character in the movie, feeling all the sensations of the plot, environment and other characters? Imagine the games we would play in this type of created hologram.

Who are we today? We are told in the Bible that we have been created by the Father (Aleph Bet) by the mechanism of the Son of God (Cosmos / Word).

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

We are further told that Love (light) overcomes darkness (Ego / Judgment of others). We are told to be something if you know the mystery. What is the mystery?

SELF. What is selfishness? Desire for self only. What is it to be self-controlled? To control the self. What does it mean to be selfless? To be without the self (Ego) when dealing with others. What does it mean to be self-realized? To realize the self (SON). We come through the Son (Self) to get to God. When? When Self is realized, or refined and mastered. Yahweh must be mastered (overcome) and Satan (accuser) silenced.

Putting it all together. Yahweh is the ruling ego of Adam. He shed blood continually, selected one nation from the Rainbow, proclaimed himself God, then was not heard from again in the New Testament. Instead, we have Jesus (Lord) humbled by the Father (Elohim). He was then sent the Dove from the Holy Spirit (Mother) making peace with the Son of God. By this, peace with humanity (Church). How was he humbled and why?

Genesis 9

6 Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans his blood will be shed,
because in his image, Elohim made humans.

Why? The Ego divided the image, forming Eve (bride below). Division is the mark of this from the beginning. Division of the image is the creation of the Ego. Although this seems bad, it was the process God knew would happen. It's the point of a Father raising HIS Son. WE are the Son being raised. Adam is humanity as the bride below. We each have a groom (Angel) above.

Matthew 18

10 “Be careful not to despise these little ones. I can guarantee that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father, who is in heaven.

Matthew 22

29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

He is the God of the living (Angel) and not the Dead (human below in sin).

31 But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”

Who is the Lord? The collective mind of mankind. You, me, them, they, us, my, ours and yours. The Self. We all have it. We must overcome it to recognize the invisible God and return to our true estate from the image (hologram). God is Love and can only be seen by those who become what He is. The Son needed to overcome, making peace with God. By this, so do you and I, us and them, they and all of us combined. We are all one.

Does Israel know the Son (Self)? No. They still seek to rule the world from Jerusalem under the old temple of Yahweh. That temple crumbled. Jesus is the new temple, that of the inside and not outside world.

This was Yahweh's plan.

Isaiah 24

21 In that day the Lord will punish
the powers in the heavens above
and the kings on the earth below.
22 They will be herded together
like prisoners bound in a dungeon;
they will be shut up in prison
and be punished[a] after many days.
23 The moon will be dismayed,
the sun ashamed;
for the Lord Almighty will reign
on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem,
and before its elders—with great glory.

When they come to know the Son, they will repent. When they do, the world will know the truth.

I hope you get the truth right, thereby realizing the error of denying God. God is Love, not Yahweh (Ego of Adam). Yahweh is what we are to overcome.

Lesson: Stop Judging God. Become what he is. Love.

1 John 4

7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

1 Corinthians 13

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Most importantly, God loves us all. Your heart is listening.

Now that you know, read the Upanishads, then read the Bible again.

Know Thyself to know God, then enter the Kingdom.

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14-01-2015, 10:08 PM (This post was last modified: 14-01-2015 10:13 PM by AlephBet.)
RE: The Merits of Atheism and the Mistake it Makes
(14-01-2015 09:56 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  So basically, once again, your whole argument relies on the argument from scripture which comes from a source that is always defended using circular logic. Those scripture passages are true because they say they are true.

Why can you not see this as a fallacy?

Anyone who flips their will to that of Altruism then sees the truth you deny. No circular logic here. Truth sets you free, allowing the emotions to be ruled by the intellect. A selfish person is ruled by self. The self-controlled person is in control of self, which takes a great deal of effort (work / suffering). The benefit is true reward.

Examples:

If you smoke, you take a reward that leads to sickness. No mystery there. If you workout in a gym, you suffer first, then reap the reward of better health.

R --------------------> S ----------------------> R
Taking Reward-----> Suffering(Giving) ----->True Reward

Christ suffered for us. This is the message he was conveying. Surplus is created by Altruism. Debt is created by Objectivism. Ayn Rand was wrong. The national debt shows that Jesus has indeed flipped the tables of the moneychangers. He also flipped the benches of those selling doves. Do the peacemakers have any rest today? Nope.

Anyone can recognize this as true. Scriptures from around the world are where we learned this. Proverbs of all types are retelling of nature law. The Bible outlines all of physics as well, showing us how the hologram / image was created. No need to rehash this here. I already showed it in the other thread.
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