The Nazis and the Zionist collaboration before ww2.
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27-06-2013, 08:51 AM
The Nazis and the Zionist collaboration before ww2.
Not many people are aware of the collaboration between the Nazis and the german zionists. Both sides stroked each others fascist cock even when germany was becoming an imperialist expansionist fascist state.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

This is a part of the article: the whole article is amazing.
Active Collaboration

On this basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and nationhood, National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what each group believed was in its own national interest. As a result, the Hitler government vigorously supported Zionism and Jewish emigration to Palestine from 1933 until 1940-1941, when the Second World War prevented extensive collaboration.

Even as the Third Reich became more entrenched, many German Jews, probably a majority, continued to regard themselves, often with considerable pride, as Germans first. Few were enthusiastic about pulling up roots to begin a new life in far-away Palestine. Nevertheless, more and more German Jews turned to Zionism during this period. Until late 1938, the Zionist movement flourished in Germany under Hitler. The circulation of the Zionist Federation's bi-weekly Jüdische Rundschau grew enormously. Numerous Zionist books were published. "Zionist work was in full swing" in Germany during those years, the Encyclopaedia Judaica notes. A Zionist convention held in Berlin in 1936 reflected "in its composition the vigorous party life of German Zionists."/7

The SS was particularly enthusiastic in its support for Zionism. An internal June 1934 SS position paper urged active and wide-ranging support for Zionism by the government and the Party as the best way to encourage emigration of Germany's Jews to Palestine. This would require increased Jewish self-awareness. Jewish schools, Jewish sports leagues, Jewish cultural organizations -- in short, everything that would encourage this new consciousness and self-awareness - should be promoted, the paper recommended. /8

SS officer Leopold von Mildenstein and Zionist Federation official Kurt Tuchler toured Palestine together for six months to assess Zionist development there. Based on his firsthand observations, von Mildenstein wrote a series of twelve illustrated articles for the important Berlin daily Der Angriff that appeared in late 1934 under the heading "A Nazi Travels to Palestine." The series expressed great admiration for the pioneering spirit and achievements of the Jewish settlers. Zionist self-development, von Mildenstein wrote, had produced a new kind of Jew. He praised Zionism as a great benefit for both the Jewish people and the entire world. A Jewish homeland in Palestine, he wrote in his concluding article, "pointed the way to curing a centuries-long wound on the body of the world: the Jewish question." Der Angriff issued a special medal, with a Swastika on one side and a Star of David on the other, to commemorate the joint SS-Zionist visit. A few months after the articles appeared, von Mildenstein was promoted to head the Jewish affairs department of the SS security service in order to support Zionist migration and development more effectively. /9

The official SS newspaper, Das Schwarze Korps, proclaimed its support for Zionism in a May 1935 front-page editorial: "The time may not be too far off when Palestine will again be able to receive its sons who have been lost to it for more than a thousand years. Our good wishes, together with official goodwill, go with them."/10 Four months later, a similar article appeared in the SS paper: /11

The recognition of Jewry as a racial community based on blood and not on religion leads the German government to guarantee without reservation the racial separateness of this community. The government finds itself in complete agreement with the great spiritual movement within Jewry, the so-called Zionism, with its recognition of the solidarity of Jewry around the world and its rejection of all assimilationist notions. On this basis, Germany undertakes measures that will surely play a significant role in the future in the handling of the Jewish problem around the world.

A leading German shipping line began direct passenger liner service from Hamburg to Haifa, Palestine, in October 1933 providing "strictly kosher food on its ships, under the supervision of the Hamburg rabbinate." /12

With official backing, Zionists worked tirelessly to "reeducate" Germany's Jews. As American historian Francis Nicosia put it in his 1985 survey, The Third Reich and the Palestine Question: "Zionists were encouraged to take their message to the Jewish community, to collect money, to show films on Palestine and generally to educate German Jews about Palestine. There was considerable pressure to teach Jews in Germany to cease identifying themselves as Germans and to awaken a new Jewish national identity in them." /13

In an interview after the war, the former head of the Zionist Federation of Germany, Dr. Hans Friedenthal, summed up the situation: "The Gestapo did everything in those days to promote emigration, particularly to Palestine. We often received their help when we required anything from other authorities regarding preparations for emigration." /14

At the September 1935 National Socialist Party Congress, the Reichstag adopted the so-called "Nuremberg laws" that prohibited marriages and sexual relations between Jews and Germans and, in effect, proclaimed the Jews an alien minority nationality. A few days later the Zionist Jüdische Rundschau editorially welcomed the new measures: /15

Germany ... is meeting the demands of the World Zionist Congress when it declares the Jews now living in Germany to be a national minority. Once the Jews have been stamped a national minority it is again possible to establish normal relations between the German nation and Jewry. The new laws give the Jewish minority in Germany its own cultural life, its own national life. In future it will be able to shape its own schools, its own theatre, and its own sports associations. In short, it can create its own future in all aspects of national life ...

Germany has given the Jewish minority the opportunity to live for itself, and is offering state protection for this separate life of the Jewish minority: Jewry's process of growth into a nation will thereby be encouraged and a contribution will be made to the establishment of more tolerable relations between the two nations.

Georg Kareski, the head of both the "Revisionist" Zionist State Organization and the Jewish Cultural League, and former head of the Berlin Jewish Community, declared in an interview with the Berlin daily Der Angriff at the end of 1935: /16

For many years I have regarded a complete separation of the cultural affairs of the two peoples [Jews and Germans] as a pre-condition for living together without conflict... I have long supported such a separation, provided it is founded on respect for the alien nationality. The Nuremberg Laws ... seem to me, apart from their legal provisions, to conform entirely with this desire for a separate life based on mutual respect... This interruption of the process of dissolution in many Jewish communities, which had been promoted through mixed marriages, is therefore, from a Jewish point of view, entirely welcome.

Zionist leaders in other countries echoed these views. Stephen S. Wise, president of the American Jewish Congress and the World Jewish Congress, told a New York rally in June 1938: "I am not an American citizen of the Jewish faith, I am a Jew... Hitler was right in one thing. He calls the Jewish people a race and we are a race." /17

The Interior Ministry's Jewish affairs specialist, Dr. Bernhard Lösener, expressed support for Zionism in an article that appeared in a November 1935 issue of the official Reichsverwaltungsblatt: /18

If the Jews already had their own state in which the majority of them were settled, then the Jewish question could be regarded as completely resolved today, also for the Jews themselves. The least amount of opposition to the ideas underlying the Nuremberg Laws have been shown by the Zionists, because they realize at once that these laws represent the only correct solution for the Jewish people as well. For each nation must have its own state as the outward expression of its particular nationhood.

In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22

The whole article is fascinating.

check the whole article out.
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27-06-2013, 09:00 AM
RE: The Nazis and the Zionist collaboration before ww2.
There is a doc made by an Israeli citizen called The Flat: Watch the Trailer Here.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2071620/

The article mentions a coin that was made to commemorate the zionist-nazi collaboration, it had the swastika on one side and the star of david on the other, this coin is shown in the trailer.

The doc is about a guy who's grandmother dies in Israel, he goes through all of her old stuff and finds a bunch of nazi propaganda in boxes, the doc reveals the not so heard about collaboration of zionists and nazis.

Watch the trailer, then watch the doc. Note: the doc was made by a jewish guy living in Tel-Aviv about his jewish grandmother. So no, it wasn't made by conspiracy theorists, arabs or any of that like.
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27-06-2013, 09:04 AM
RE: The Nazis and the Zionist collaboration before ww2.
Of course it's not a conspiracy.

The Nazi goal of "get rid of the Jews" happens to synergize rather well with Jewish organizations whose goal was "leave".
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27-06-2013, 09:53 AM
RE: The Nazis and the Zionist collaboration before ww2.
(27-06-2013 09:04 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Of course it's not a conspiracy.

The Nazi goal of "get rid of the Jews" happens to synergize rather well with Jewish organizations whose goal was "leave".

They weren't opposing groups at all, they were supporting one another and each others goals, the jews in germany supported the political apparatus of germany on many levels.

There is the military support offered by zionists in 1941 mentioned in a section of the article.

Zionists Offer a Military Alliance With Hitler

In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made by the radical underground "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel," better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical nationalist "National Military Organization" (Irgun Zvai Leumi) over the group's attitude toward Britain, which had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.

This remarkable Zionist proposal "for the solution of the Jewish question in Europe and the active participation of the NMO [Lehi] in the war on the side of Germany" is worth quoting at some length: /46

In their speeches and statements, the leading statesmen of National Socialist Germany have often emphasized that a New Order in Europe requires as a prerequisite a radical solution of the Jewish question by evacuation. ("Jew-free Europe")

The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for solving the Jewish question. However, the only way this can be totally achieved is through settlement of these masses in the homeland of the Jewish people, Palestine, and by the establishment of a Jewish state in its historical boundaries.

The goal of the political activity and the years of struggle by the Israel Freedom Movement, the National Military Organization in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi), is to solve the Jewish problem in this way and thus completely liberate the Jewish people forever.

The NMO, which is very familiar with the good will of the German Reich government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany and the Zionist emigration program, takes that view that:

1. Common interests can exist between a European New Order based on the German concept and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as embodied by the NMO.

2. Cooperation is possible between the New Germany and a renewed, folkish-national Jewry [Hebräertum].

3. The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of maintaining and strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East.

On the basis of these considerations, and upon the condition that the German Reich government recognize the national aspirations of the Israel Freedom Movement mentioned above, the NMO in Palestine offers to actively take part in the war on the side of Germany.

This offer by the NMO could include military, political and informational activity within Palestine and, after certain organizational measures, outside as well. Along with this the Jewish men of Europe would be militarily trained and organized in military units under the leadership and command of the NMO. They would take part in combat operations for the purpose of conquering Palestine, should such a front by formed.

The indirect participation of the Israel Freedom Movement in the New Order of Europe, already in the preparatory stage, combined with a positive-radical solution of the European Jewish problem on the basis of the national aspirations of the Jewish people mentioned above, would greatly strengthen the moral foundation of the New Order in the eyes of all humanity.

The cooperation of the Israel Freedom Movement would also be consistent with a recent speech by the German Reich Chancellor, in which Hitler stressed that he would utilize any combination and coalition in order to isolate and defeat England.

There is no record of any German response. Acceptance was very unlikely anyway because by this time German policy was decisively pro-Arab. /47 Remarkably, Stern's group sought to conclude a pact with the Third Reich at a time when stories that Hitler was bent on exterminating Jews were already in wide circulation. Stern apparently either did not believe the stories or he was willing to collaborate with the mortal enemy of his people to help bring about a Jewish state. /48

An important Lehi member at the time the group made this offer was Yitzhak Shamir, who later served as Israel's Foreign Minister and then, during much of the 1980s and until June 1992, as Prime Minister. As Lehi operations chief following Stern's death in 1942, Shamir organized numerous acts of terror, including the November 1944 assassination of British Middle East Minister Lord Moyne and the September 1948 slaying of Swedish United Nations mediator Count Bernadotte. Years later, when Shamir was asked about the 1941 offer, he confirmed that he was aware of his organization's proposed alliance with wartime Germany. /49



and there is the "transfer agreement" mentioned in a section of the article. Both show extensive cooperation among the two groups and not just some "cooperation out of necessity" both sides extolled the "virtues" of one another.

Talk about choosing the wrong friends. Smartass
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27-06-2013, 10:47 AM (This post was last modified: 27-06-2013 02:21 PM by cjlr.)
RE: The Nazis and the Zionist collaboration before ww2.
Yes.

Ethnic nationalists get on great - for exactly as long as they share the same goals.
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27-06-2013, 02:11 PM
The Nazis and the Zionist collaboration before ww2.
(27-06-2013 10:47 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Yes.

Ethnic nationalists get on [i]great[/] - for exactly as long as they share the same goals.

What goal is that? Forming a one race/religious rules fascist nation?
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27-06-2013, 02:29 PM
RE: The Nazis and the Zionist collaboration before ww2.
(27-06-2013 02:11 PM)I and I Wrote:  What goal is that? Forming a one race/religious rules fascist nation?

More or less.

The Nazi's goal was "de-Judification". They tried to deport them or drive them off all through the 1930s. And though obviously much better by comparison, it's easy to forget how anti-semitic people were everywhere else - no other country wanted them. Perhaps tellingly, even during the war, even with the "Final Solution" going on, the escape of most of the Danish Jews to Sweden was considered more or less a "mission accomplished".

Zionists' goal was/is to leave Europe and go to Palestine.

So, the "Jews out of Germany/Europe" part of those are the same. And as the Nazi leadership saw it (the more pragmatic ones), aiding the Zionists would make it more attractive for their domestic Jewish population to up and leave with them.
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27-06-2013, 02:41 PM
RE: The Nazis and the Zionist collaboration before ww2.
(27-06-2013 02:29 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(27-06-2013 02:11 PM)I and I Wrote:  What goal is that? Forming a one race/religious rules fascist nation?

More or less.

The Nazi's goal was "de-Judification". They tried to deport them or drive them off all through the 1930s. And though obviously much better by comparison, it's easy to forget how anti-semitic people were everywhere else - no other country wanted them. Perhaps tellingly, even during the war, even with the "Final Solution" going on, the escape of most of the Danish Jews to Sweden was considered more or less a "mission accomplished".

Zionists' goal was/is to leave Europe and go to Palestine.

So, the "Jews out of Germany/Europe" part of those are the same. And as the Nazi leadership saw it (the more pragmatic ones), aiding the Zionists would make it more attractive for their domestic Jewish population to up and leave with them.

The relationship of zionists and Nazis wasn't just one of convenience, the article mentions several top leaders in both organizations that worked together and corresponded together in very friendly terms, and this is documented in the documentary link I posted (that was made by an Israeli.)

They even made a coin commemorating their cooperation (watch the trailer to that doc and see for yourself.)
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27-06-2013, 02:45 PM (This post was last modified: 28-06-2013 08:39 AM by cjlr.)
RE: The Nazis and the Zionist collaboration before ww2.
(27-06-2013 02:41 PM)I and I Wrote:  The relationship of zionists and Nazis wasn't just one of convenience, the article mentions several top leaders in both organizations that worked together and corresponded together in very friendly terms, and this is documented in the documentary link I posted (that was made by an Israeli.)

They even made a coin commemorating their cooperation (watch the trailer to that doc and see for yourself.)

It was entirely one of convenience. If the Zionist Jewish homeland was in Bavaria, how friendly do you think they would have been?

It's what I already said. Ethnic nationalists get on great so long as they've got things to agree on. Very similar people who want very similar things are going to find plenty to like in each other.
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27-06-2013, 02:52 PM
The Nazis and the Zionist collaboration before ww2.
(27-06-2013 02:45 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(27-06-2013 02:41 PM)I and I Wrote:  The relationship of zionists and Nazis wasn't just one of convenience, the article mentions several top leaders in both organizations that worked together and corresponded together in very friendly terms, and this is documented in the documentary link I posted (that was made by an Israeli.)

They even made a coin commemorating their cooperation (watch the trailer to that doc and see for yourself.)

It was entirely one of convenience. If the Zionist Jewish homeland was in Bavaria, how friendly do you think they would have been?

It's what I already said. Ethnic nationalists get on great so long as they've got things to agree on. Very similar people who want very similar tings are going to find plenty to like in each other.

Nope, many wealthy Jews had close friendships with nazi members, and the documentary shows this. A Jewish guy in Israel is cleaning out his grandmothers closet and finds stacks of old nazi propaganda newspapers for fuck sake.
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