Poll: Who do you support in the 2012 US Presidential election?
Barack Obama - Democratic Party
Mitt Romney - Republican Party
Gary Johnson - Libertarian Party
Jill Stein - Green Party
Virgil Goode - Constitution Party
Andre Barnett - Reform Party USA
Tom Hoefling - America's Party
Rocky Anderson - Justice Party
Stewart Alexander - Socialist Party USA
Merlin Miller - American Third Position Party
Tom Stevens - Objectivist Party
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16-06-2012, 09:14 PM (This post was last modified: 16-06-2012 09:28 PM by HDT.)
The OFFICIAL TTA 2012 US Presidential Election Poll
Simply put, I would like to see whom the preferred United States presidential candidate is on this forum. My poll assumes includes both mainstream parties, and the largest of the third party candidates. For the sake of an simplicity, I'm going to pretend that all of the mentioned candidates are on the ballot in all 50 states.

EDIT: I apologize to those less political members. I tried to include a "None" or "Not voting" option, but I was limited at 11 poll options.

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17-06-2012, 05:08 AM
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Wait, back the truck the fuck up.
You guys have more then the three parties I hear about? (Democrats, Republicans, Tea Party).
As someone very keen on politics I am shocked I never knew this.

Even though I'm not voting (because I'm not a US citizen), I'd vote for Obama. Simply because he's not a conservative Christian fuckhead like Romney and why vote for a minor party in a system where minor parties have no say.

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17-06-2012, 07:10 AM
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There isn't another choice? Sadcryface Weeping Sadcryface Weeping Hobo

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17-06-2012, 10:41 AM
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(17-06-2012 05:08 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Wait, back the truck the fuck up.
You guys have more then the three parties I hear about? (Democrats, Republicans, Tea Party).
As someone very keen on politics I am shocked I never knew this.

Even though I'm not voting (because I'm not a US citizen), I'd vote for Obama. Simply because he's not a conservative Christian fuckhead like Romney and why vote for a minor party in a system where minor parties have no say.
Well, unfortunately, in America third parties rarely even have any impact whatever in major elections. I also went a little overboard in the inclusion of some of these candidates. I included every candidate that is eligible for at least one state's electoral votes. Besides Obama, Romney, Johnson and Stein none of the candidates listed could possibly win the election due to not being on the ballot in enough states. I just included them in case someone out there supported them.
(17-06-2012 07:10 AM)Anjele Wrote:  There isn't another choice? Sadcryface Weeping Sadcryface Weeping Hobo
Haha! This definitely isn't the most exciting election we've ever had, but the idea of another Republican presidency scares me enough to passionately support Obama.

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17-06-2012, 07:03 PM
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Maybe it's just my observation, but American presidents have really gone down hill since JFK.
Nobody you can really stick behind and support.

Even Obama is a bit of less of then two evils.

What ya need is a young, charismatic, intelligent liberal who hasn't been in politics for years and years and is passionate and has a fucking backbone and will stick up for what he believes in.

I mean look at Romney, I've said it before, no backbone. He comes into politics very liberal and passionate and now because he has a chance of becoming president he's suddenly a conservative fuckhead, literally giving in and bending over to party pressure.
It's a different mentality. It's that, do what ever it takes to win mentality rather then stand up for what we believe in and if the people rally behind us then great mentality.

Perhaps the party is to blame for selecting weak minded leaders, sorta like puppet leaders, or perhaps its the voters for being fuckheads who only care what the person bowling score is rather then their actual political stand points.

Whatever, not my country.

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18-06-2012, 12:32 AM
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What you just described was exactly how Obama was viewed in the 2008 primary. Excluding Dennis Kucinich, he was considered maybe the most liberal candidate running. People really got excited (and still are to some degree) to support him. Unfortunately, those liberal ideas were somewhat compromised once he got into office. In my opinion the Republican takeover of the House and Faux News' bullshit spin on the bailouts really did him in and forced him to either compromise or be an utter failure of a President because nothing would get accomplished and he would have guaranteed himself, and the Democrats, a one term presidency. Oh well, maybe people will learn. I doubt it, but maybe.

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18-06-2012, 02:26 AM
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(17-06-2012 05:08 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  why vote for a minor party in a system where minor parties have no say.
Abraham Lincoln (nuff said), but he won. So I guess that doesn't count

Teddy Roosevelt's (Ex-Republican running in his own made-up party) platform was largely adopted by Wilson (Democrat).

3rd parties played an important role in getting women the right to vote. Forgot which party it was though

They helped with the civil rights movement.

3rd parties are the ones who make the change and have the say- they always have. The major parties stand for the status quote.
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18-06-2012, 03:29 AM
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(18-06-2012 02:26 AM)TaVe Wrote:  
(17-06-2012 05:08 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  why vote for a minor party in a system where minor parties have no say.
Abraham Lincoln (nuff said), but he won. So I guess that doesn't count

Teddy Roosevelt's (Ex-Republican running in his own made-up party) platform was largely adopted by Wilson (Democrat).

3rd parties played an important role in getting women the right to vote. Forgot which party it was though

They helped with the civil rights movement.

3rd parties are the ones who make the change and have the say- they always have. The major parties stand for the status quote.
They got women and black people the vote?
Sorry if I sound a little... assholeish, but big whoop.
Two things that would have changed anyway as population opinion changed.

I'm talking more then just major things like that. Yes those things were fantastic but I mean like get your parties view points and stuff changed.
Oh god how do I explain this.

Greens, a party I know a bit about (We have the second largest? after Germany? Green's party in the world).
Take their ideologies, green earth etc.. all that shit.
Why should I vote for Greens? The reason I'd vote for Greens is because I like their policy (I don't vote for the Greens, I vote National Party). You'd vote because you support their ideas and what have you.
But when you have a one party race (this or that, no coalitions, FPP v MMP) that one major party who get in, they've got different policies and don't care about Green policies and so no Green policy is going to end up being implemented.
Yes you can say the same about opposition party, but the difference is they can get in, they might get in next time for example. Eventually their policy is going to get implemented.
So again, why vote for someone like Green's if none of their policy is going to get implemented?

This is the bonus of MMP. When you have a proportionate system it IS worth voting for smaller parties. No major party can run on its own without a coalition unless it gets over 50% (Hasn't happened here since.. 93?). So say I vote for Greens and they get 10%. The largest party gets 41%. The largest party then has to form a coalition with Greens. Greens agree to form a coalition under the terms that some of their policy is allowed to get implemented. Large party agrees, a government is formed and Greens get some of their policy implemented.
Proportionate systems are just much more fair. But under your system I see no reason to waste a vote on a smaller party, you might as well not vote.

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18-06-2012, 06:17 AM
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There should be more options. Tongue (Hint: none of them)

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18-06-2012, 06:34 AM
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(17-06-2012 05:08 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Wait, back the truck the fuck up.
You guys have more then the three parties I hear about? (Democrats, Republicans, Tea Party).
As someone very keen on politics I am shocked I never knew this.

Even though I'm not voting (because I'm not a US citizen), I'd vote for Obama. Simply because he's not a conservative Christian fuckhead like Romney and why vote for a minor party in a system where minor parties have no say.
Don't worry - most Americans don't know it either.

I'm not a fan of Obama - I think he's been Bush with a tan. Poor leadership on most issues. Biggest props I give him are his evolution on civil rights, ending DODT, not enforcing DOMA, finally coming out in favor of marriage equality.

His Health Care Act was woefully inadequate -- the best part of the legislation was extending adult children on their parents health care plans - which helps my children immensely.

That said, the idea of Romney with a potential for a majority in either house scares the living daylights out of me. Additionally, the potential for another conservative supreme court justice nomination in the hands of a Republican president/congress is enough to vote for a block.

All the other candidates on the ballot are window dressing -- the illusion that you can vote for whomever you want to. I liked Buddy Romer and I would vote for Gary Johnson if he had a chance; but the real problem isn't that they can't win -- what is worse is what if they did? Can you imagine a 3rd party executive herding democrats and republicans without a hint of an ally in congress?

The only way a 3rd party candidate would have ANY viability in American governance is to be a national ticket -- with electable names on every ballot for Congress, governorships, state legislators, as well as the presidency. One lone 3rd party executive would be shredded by a GOP/DEM dominated congress. If you want to see bipartisanship in action -- these parties would come together so quickly for this bloodletting it would look like Zombieland II...

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