Poll: Who do you support in the 2012 US Presidential election?
Barack Obama - Democratic Party
Mitt Romney - Republican Party
Gary Johnson - Libertarian Party
Jill Stein - Green Party
Virgil Goode - Constitution Party
Andre Barnett - Reform Party USA
Tom Hoefling - America's Party
Rocky Anderson - Justice Party
Stewart Alexander - Socialist Party USA
Merlin Miller - American Third Position Party
Tom Stevens - Objectivist Party
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18-06-2012, 08:46 AM
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I voted for Mitt only to mess with your poll. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!...

If I could actually vote then I'd probably vote for Obama.

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18-06-2012, 08:53 AM
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(18-06-2012 08:46 AM)frankiej Wrote:  I voted for Mitt only to mess with your poll. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!...

If I could actually vote then I'd probably vote for Obama.
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18-06-2012, 08:58 AM
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I think Obama's a good guy... speaking from the outside looking in. He inherited a seriously fucked situation. A lot of his policies have faced very stiff opposition meaning they haven't been fully implemented but still the US has come out pretty well considering he's only had 4 years.

Couple of things:
1. What the fuck was the Nobel peace prize for?
2. War with Libya cost the US a lot. Not sure why they got involved. I guess oil...
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18-06-2012, 09:02 AM
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(18-06-2012 08:58 AM)morondog Wrote:  I think Obama's a good guy... speaking from the outside looking in. He inherited a seriously fucked situation. A lot of his policies have faced very stiff opposition meaning they haven't been fully implemented but still the US has come out pretty well considering he's only had 4 years.

Couple of things:
1. What the fuck was the Nobel peace prize for?
2. War with Libya cost the US a lot. Not sure why they got involved. I guess oil...
Because shit loads of people were dying to a corrupt government and the majority of people who wanted to change (to democracy I believe) were loosing because of lack of weapons/technology. Hence the UN did something about it (for once) because that is why they were created in the first place. Hence, British and US jets bombed the shit out of shit saving thousands of lives and ending one corrupt government for a slightly less corrupt one.

Not everything is about oil son.

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18-06-2012, 10:17 AM (This post was last modified: 18-06-2012 10:20 AM by HDT.)
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With the realistic possibility of anywhere from 1-3 Supreme Court Justices that could be retiring after the 2012 election, I can't rationalize anyone voting for anyone besides Barack Obama for that reason alone. I know there is bias here, I also don't particularly like Obama as POTUS as much as I liked him as a candidate, but this country will go to shit if Mitt Romney is allowed to appoint even one Supreme Court Justice.
Besides that reasoning, I understand that Obama has been a puppet president who has watered downed so many of his policies that it can be hard to tell the difference between him and the Repubs. Just can't take a risk on those appointments, considering the landmark legislation we seem to be encroaching upon (gay marriage, universal healthcare).

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18-06-2012, 10:35 AM
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(18-06-2012 09:02 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Because shit loads of people were dying to a corrupt government and the majority of people who wanted to change (to democracy I believe) were loosing because of lack of weapons/technology. Hence the UN did something about it (for once) because that is why they were created in the first place. Hence, British and US jets bombed the shit out of shit saving thousands of lives and ending one corrupt government for a slightly less corrupt one.

Not everything is about oil son.
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18-06-2012, 02:02 PM
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I think the dems are running to much toward socialism/collectivism. I'm an "old school" liberal in the vein of John Stuart Mill and Thoreau, which makes me a libertarian today. The socialist migration of the dems will cause a republican win in November. Wisconsin was no accident. The concervatives are united with one thing in mind, "get Obama out of office".
...and if you are from outside the US, your media is useless when it comes to understanding the mood in America today, just as I can't understand yours. BTW, CNN is clueless as well. Even Americans have stopped watching them.

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18-06-2012, 04:23 PM
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(18-06-2012 02:02 PM)Thomas Wrote:  I think the dems are running to much toward socialism/collectivism. I'm an "old school" liberal in the vein of John Stuart Mill and Thoreau, which makes me a libertarian today. The socialist migration of the dems will cause a republican win in November. Wisconsin was no accident. The concervatives are united with one thing in mind, "get Obama out of office".
...and if you are from outside the US, your media is useless when it comes to understanding the mood in America today, just as I can't understand yours. BTW, CNN is clueless as well. Even Americans have stopped watching them.
I would agree that all US politics is much more authoritarian than needed, or hopefully wanted by the American people, but I feel it may be needed to recognize the difference in scope of the term libertarian. People like Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn can be considered left libertarians, while members of the current US Libertarian party tend to follow a neoliberal POV leaning towards Austrian economics and the like, (Hayek, Mises, etc.). Thoreau has been attributed to many "liberal" movements as he was a strong supporter of preserving wilderness as public lands, i.e. national parks. We need to abandon the idea of big government=bad, small government=good and vice versa, and take on a viewpoint of making good valid policies. Anarchy does not work and will never be attainable so we can obviously view that some regulation and law is necessary, the debate is just on how far that regulation should go and what we should regulate. My problem with the modern Libertarian Party is that they seem to have become similar to the Dems and Repubs in that they have started dismissing certain policies outright because it disagrees with their creed, which is low taxation, low regulation, little to no government. Take climate change, I hope this doesn't start a debate. Scientists seem to come to a consensus that it IS going on and that we NEED to do something about it. So we should be debating what and how far our policies should go to fix the problem. Libertarians seem to have taken the Republican anti-science position though because by introducing the problem of climate change you introduce a necessity for government intervention. I agree with them that the government is involved in our lives way too much, but we need to be petitioning for GOOD government regulation and policy, not NO government regulation and policy. They seem to dismiss climate change solely because it would in their mind lead to big government. If I have this all wrong then let me know, it is just the mindset most Libertarians I have met seem to have. You just can't sacrifice sound science in the name of political doctrine.

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18-06-2012, 09:36 PM
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Nice Straw man. Mischaracterize Libertarians as having an extreme position (no government..anarchists) then call them extremists and declare yourself the reasonable center position.
Nice try...

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18-06-2012, 10:41 PM (This post was last modified: 18-06-2012 10:56 PM by HDT.)
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(18-06-2012 09:36 PM)Thomas Wrote:  Nice Straw man. Mischaracterize Libertarians as having an extreme position (no government..anarchists) then call them extremists and declare yourself the reasonable center position.
Nice try...
That wasn't my intention whatsoever. I went to extremes in that case solely to make my point more understandable and evident. The Libertarian position is one that I tend to feel that I have a little knowledge about. If you would believe me, I voted for Ron Paul in a primary, and used to to have a subscription to Reason magazine. I have since become disillusioned with modern American Libertarian politics for the reasons that I mentioned above. If you think I'm trying to con anyone here, I'm afraid you are mistaken. I will gladly say that I am far to the left, economically, of the US Libertarian Party. I never meant to criticize your politics or label you as an extremist. I simply do not see the free market as being as harmonious as say Gary Johnson does, and think it involves more regulation than is pushed by the likes of him; that is all I am advocating good sir.

If third parties meant two shits I would vote for Jill Stein, along with Nader in the previous two elections, but unfortunately since we have a complete winner take all in this corrupt system, the Greens & Libertarians of the country don't have much of a voice.

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