Poll: Who do you support in the 2012 US Presidential election?
Barack Obama - Democratic Party
Mitt Romney - Republican Party
Gary Johnson - Libertarian Party
Jill Stein - Green Party
Virgil Goode - Constitution Party
Andre Barnett - Reform Party USA
Tom Hoefling - America's Party
Rocky Anderson - Justice Party
Stewart Alexander - Socialist Party USA
Merlin Miller - American Third Position Party
Tom Stevens - Objectivist Party
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24-06-2012, 06:56 PM
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Yea but are your minor parties crazy (with a couple exceptions) because they know they will never gain power or have any say?
Like here we have a joke party every election, the party you vote for to have a bit of laugh, but it never never gets anywhere near getting into power.

I think if you give these parties an opportunity and a chance to get into power you'll see them take things seriously, after all if they don't no big party will form a coalition with them. People will also be more careful with their vote. Yes people like I good joke party, or some crazy politician that makes good TV but nobody wants to see them in actual power.

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24-06-2012, 07:20 PM
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Even though I am a socialist I will vote for Obama. It would be a stupid vote to go socialist. Anything to keep Mr. Magic Pants Willard M Romney out of being President. I thought George W Bush was a asshole till this guy came around. This cult fallowing ass shouldn't be a dog catcher. I also found it really funny how Ron Paul endorsed this asshole then retired. So much for his values!!!!

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25-06-2012, 02:04 AM
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(24-06-2012 06:56 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Yea but are your minor parties crazy (with a couple exceptions) because they know they will never gain power or have any say?
Like here we have a joke party every election, the party you vote for to have a bit of laugh, but it never never gets anywhere near getting into power.

I think if you give these parties an opportunity and a chance to get into power you'll see them take things seriously, after all if they don't no big party will form a coalition with them. People will also be more careful with their vote. Yes people like I good joke party, or some crazy politician that makes good TV but nobody wants to see them in actual power.
Oh yes of course some of them are. The Constitution party for example basically promotes a Christian theocracy, and believes it is legitimately based on the US Constitution. If you want my honest opinion the Libertarian Party is crazy. Those are nice ideas about the free market, but honestly, it's ahistorical. Sure they think the free market SHOULD balance itself out, but it doesn't always. It's a fact. Civil Rights and Climate Change are two issues specifically that I don't understand how they even pretend to think they've got the solution (plus the fact that the study of economics really has grown immensely since the days of Adam Smith or that the poor continually stay poor under laissez faire). My theory is that the whole popularity of it tends to correlate to the "purity" of the movement. The fact that it promotes "absolute" freedom as they see it. Thus more corrupt politicians are weeded out because there is less ability to manipulate power as in Democratic or Republican politics. That part is good, but it doesn't make the policies any more valid or realistic. To each his own though I don't mean to start a riot with the few Libertarians on this board.

(24-06-2012 07:20 PM)N.E.OhioAtheist Wrote:  Even though I am a socialist I will vote for Obama. It would be a stupid vote to go socialist. Anything to keep Mr. Magic Pants Willard M Romney out of being President. I thought George W Bush was a asshole till this guy came around. This cult fallowing ass shouldn't be a dog catcher. I also found it really funny how Ron Paul endorsed this asshole then retired. So much for his values!!!!
I wish we lived in a day and age where a leftist can cast a protest vote. I am honestly more and more worried about today's GOP.

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25-06-2012, 11:57 AM
RE: The OFFICIAL TTA 2012 US Presidential Election Poll
(25-06-2012 02:04 AM)HDT Wrote:  
(24-06-2012 06:56 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Yea but are your minor parties crazy (with a couple exceptions) because they know they will never gain power or have any say?
Like here we have a joke party every election, the party you vote for to have a bit of laugh, but it never never gets anywhere near getting into power.

I think if you give these parties an opportunity and a chance to get into power you'll see them take things seriously, after all if they don't no big party will form a coalition with them. People will also be more careful with their vote. Yes people like I good joke party, or some crazy politician that makes good TV but nobody wants to see them in actual power.
Oh yes of course some of them are. The Constitution party for example basically promotes a Christian theocracy, and believes it is legitimately based on the US Constitution. If you want my honest opinion the Libertarian Party is crazy. Those are nice ideas about the free market, but honestly, it's ahistorical. Sure they think the free market SHOULD balance itself out, but it doesn't always. It's a fact. Civil Rights and Climate Change are two issues specifically that I don't understand how they even pretend to think they've got the solution (plus the fact that the study of economics really has grown immensely since the days of Adam Smith or that the poor continually stay poor under laissez faire). My theory is that the whole popularity of it tends to correlate to the "purity" of the movement. The fact that it promotes "absolute" freedom as they see it. Thus more corrupt politicians are weeded out because there is less ability to manipulate power as in Democratic or Republican politics. That part is good, but it doesn't make the policies any more valid or realistic. To each his own though I don't mean to start a riot with the few Libertarians on this board.

(24-06-2012 07:20 PM)N.E.OhioAtheist Wrote:  Even though I am a socialist I will vote for Obama. It would be a stupid vote to go socialist. Anything to keep Mr. Magic Pants Willard M Romney out of being President. I thought George W Bush was a asshole till this guy came around. This cult fallowing ass shouldn't be a dog catcher. I also found it really funny how Ron Paul endorsed this asshole then retired. So much for his values!!!!
I wish we lived in a day and age where a leftist can cast a protest vote. I am honestly more and more worried about today's GOP.
I am holding my nose real hard. The only change he has done was his socks. He broke every promise he had made. BUT he would be 100% better than that fool running from the GOP. Could you imagine that guy coming to your door knocking and asking you to join his cult in Europe. In the UK they just hate them assholes. When I was there I loved to fuck with them in a big way. I knew enough from reading a book called, Kingdom of the cults to mess with their heads. It was a great time to be over there.

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25-06-2012, 03:45 PM
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Well,the Tea Party is not an actual party. They are just a branch of Republicans who call themselves the tea party. They still have the R next to their name

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25-06-2012, 04:42 PM
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(24-06-2012 06:56 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Yea but are your minor parties crazy (with a couple exceptions) because they know they will never gain power or have any say?
Like here we have a joke party every election, the party you vote for to have a bit of laugh, but it never never gets anywhere near getting into power.

I think if you give these parties an opportunity and a chance to get into power you'll see them take things seriously, after all if they don't no big party will form a coalition with them. People will also be more careful with their vote. Yes people like I good joke party, or some crazy politician that makes good TV but nobody wants to see them in actual power.
Whether the US parties are filled with crazy because they are small parties is a good question, and there is probably some merit to that being the case. I would guess parties out of power would attract outsiders--good and bad. However I don't see evidence that small parties across the pond avoid that problem simply because they also get to hold office.

In the US, the Senate originally was not directly elected, but rather indirectly selected by the various state legislatures. The original intent was for the Senate to be the saucer where the passions of the directly elected people's House could cool and be considered more carefully. The obvious problem with that was that it lead to corruption due to the lack of accountability for those Senators, however the rationale for this reflection is wise.
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25-06-2012, 05:10 PM
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(24-06-2012 02:00 PM)HDT Wrote:  That's a very, very good point. I think the main quibble with the American system is that we do not have a balanced system. Both major parties are right wing parties essentially despite what people would like to believe. The Dems are very near the political center, while the GOP is on further right. Today's GOP, however, is not moderately right wing, it's extreme. Socially and economically this party is legitimately becoming more and more radically right wing. This leaves the already centre to centre-right Democratic party and the centre-left Green party being the most legitimate, rational parties. Yet the Green party has absolutely no say whatsoever. I understand the proportional system leads to a less stable system, and I don't know that I would truly advocate for it if I had to decide, but my position is that we already have an extreme party playing a huge role in government. Disagree with me if you wish, but this GOP is more right wing than they ever have been as long as I can remember.



My politics--fiscally conservative, socially liberal--means that I tend to vote GOP, but will vote Democratic for the right person. Being from Wisconsin, I was happy to support Feingold for instance who would be considered the far left of the spectrum in the US in large part because of his firm support for civil liberties. I'm also happy to see someone like Congressman Paul Ryan continue to be a leader in politics.

Left and right of course depend on the polity--in the US, the center is much more right than it is in Europe. Reagan succeeded in moving the center, and Clinton conceded the center moved. That's just where the US is. A party that gets half the vote cannot be extreme in the context of the polity that party operates in. I won't disagree that the GOP is 'more right wing' than ever, but that's because the country's center has shifted. The Green party may be your preferred party, but in the US, that is the extreme.
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25-06-2012, 08:08 PM
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(25-06-2012 11:57 AM)N.E.OhioAtheist Wrote:  
(25-06-2012 02:04 AM)HDT Wrote:  Oh yes of course some of them are. The Constitution party for example basically promotes a Christian theocracy, and believes it is legitimately based on the US Constitution. If you want my honest opinion the Libertarian Party is crazy. Those are nice ideas about the free market, but honestly, it's ahistorical. Sure they think the free market SHOULD balance itself out, but it doesn't always. It's a fact. Civil Rights and Climate Change are two issues specifically that I don't understand how they even pretend to think they've got the solution (plus the fact that the study of economics really has grown immensely since the days of Adam Smith or that the poor continually stay poor under laissez faire). My theory is that the whole popularity of it tends to correlate to the "purity" of the movement. The fact that it promotes "absolute" freedom as they see it. Thus more corrupt politicians are weeded out because there is less ability to manipulate power as in Democratic or Republican politics. That part is good, but it doesn't make the policies any more valid or realistic. To each his own though I don't mean to start a riot with the few Libertarians on this board.

I wish we lived in a day and age where a leftist can cast a protest vote. I am honestly more and more worried about today's GOP.
I am holding my nose real hard. The only change he has done was his socks. He broke every promise he had made. BUT he would be 100% better than that fool running from the GOP. Could you imagine that guy coming to your door knocking and asking you to join his cult in Europe. In the UK they just hate them assholes. When I was there I loved to fuck with them in a big way. I knew enough from reading a book called, Kingdom of the cults to mess with their heads. It was a great time to be over there.
There's a thing this day and age that lets us know that ideas like that are far form the truth. Obama has been big on keeping plenty of promises, even big ones, yet of course there is a good number of ones he wasn't able to accomplish. The ones achieved greatly outnumber the ones failed though.

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26-06-2012, 01:17 AM
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(25-06-2012 05:10 PM)BryanS Wrote:  
(24-06-2012 02:00 PM)HDT Wrote:  That's a very, very good point. I think the main quibble with the American system is that we do not have a balanced system. Both major parties are right wing parties essentially despite what people would like to believe. The Dems are very near the political center, while the GOP is on further right. Today's GOP, however, is not moderately right wing, it's extreme. Socially and economically this party is legitimately becoming more and more radically right wing. This leaves the already centre to centre-right Democratic party and the centre-left Green party being the most legitimate, rational parties. Yet the Green party has absolutely no say whatsoever. I understand the proportional system leads to a less stable system, and I don't know that I would truly advocate for it if I had to decide, but my position is that we already have an extreme party playing a huge role in government. Disagree with me if you wish, but this GOP is more right wing than they ever have been as long as I can remember.



My politics--fiscally conservative, socially liberal--means that I tend to vote GOP, but will vote Democratic for the right person. Being from Wisconsin, I was happy to support Feingold for instance who would be considered the far left of the spectrum in the US in large part because of his firm support for civil liberties. I'm also happy to see someone like Congressman Paul Ryan continue to be a leader in politics.

Left and right of course depend on the polity--in the US, the center is much more right than it is in Europe. Reagan succeeded in moving the center, and Clinton conceded the center moved. That's just where the US is. A party that gets half the vote cannot be extreme in the context of the polity that party operates in. I won't disagree that the GOP is 'more right wing' than ever, but that's because the country's center has shifted. The Green party may be your preferred party, but in the US, that is the extreme.
I see what you're saying, but just because the American status quo has changed doesn't concede that logical politics has shifted alongside. These guys won't even compromise or listen to the other side. That's something, as much as I dislike him, even Reagan did from time to time.

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08-07-2012, 02:53 AM
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A vote for Romney is a vote for the Mormon (Moron) church. He probably believes in his heart that he will be the wonderful priesthood leader whom will save the constitution since it is undoubtedly 'hanging by a thread' and bring all people to the Mormon Jesus!!
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