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16-06-2014, 09:44 PM (This post was last modified: 16-06-2014 10:10 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: The Old Testament and the New Covenant--help
(16-06-2014 04:29 PM)childeye Wrote:  1 John 2:2 - And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.

Without regard to belief or bad behavior, Jeremy seems just too damn dim for Barth and Universalism. But the Child'sEye don't seem dim..

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16-06-2014, 10:28 PM
RE: The Old Testament and the New Covenant--help
(16-06-2014 09:21 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(16-06-2014 04:29 PM)childeye Wrote:  Leviticus 17:11 - For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.

Revelation 5:9 - And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

1 Timothy 2:6 - Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Exodus 30:12-16 - When thou takest the sum of the children of Israel after their number, then shall they give every man a ransom for his soul unto the LORD, when thou numberest them; that there be no plague among them, when [thou] numberest them. (Read More...)

1 John 2:2 - And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.

Hebrews 9:12 - Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us].

1 Peter 3:18 - For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

1 Peter 2:24 - Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Hebrews 9:22 - And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Hebrews 9:7 - But into the second [went] the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and [for] the errors of the people:

Galatians 4:5 - To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Galatians 4:4 - But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Acts 20:28 - Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Exodus 32:1-35 - And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for [as for] this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him. (Read More...)

Revelation 1:5 - And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Hebrews 12:24 - And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

Romans 5:2 - By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Romans 4:25 - Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Revelation 7:14 - And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

1 John 4:10 - Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.

1 John 3:5 - And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1 Peter 1:20 - Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

1 Peter 1:8-12 - Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see [him] not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: (Read More...)

Hebrews 13:12 - Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Ephesians 2:4-10 - But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, (Read More...)

2 Corinthians 5:19 - To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

2 Corinthians 5:18 - And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Revelation 13:8 - And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 12:11 - And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

1 John 5:6 - This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

1 Peter 2:1-25 - Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, (Read More...)

1 Peter 1:18-20 - Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers; (Read More...)

Hebrews 13:21 - Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Hebrews 13:20 - Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Hebrews 11:19 - Accounting that God [was] able to raise [him] up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

Hebrews 11:17 - By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten [son],

Hebrews 11:4 - By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Hebrews 10:14 - For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Hebrews 10:12 - But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Hebrews 10:10 - By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].

Hebrews 10:1-20 - For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (Read More...)

Hebrews 9:28 - So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Hebrews 9:26 - For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Hebrews 9:25 - Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

Hebrews 9:24-28 - For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: (Read More...)

Hebrews 9:20 - Saying, This [is] the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

Hebrews 9:19 - For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

Hebrews 9:12-15 - Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us]. (Read More...)

Hebrews 7:27 - Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Hebrews 5:3 - And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.

Hebrews 2:17 - Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto [his] brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things [pertaining] to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Hebrews 2:9 - But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Hebrews 1:3 - Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Titus 2:14 - Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

1 Timothy 2:5 - For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1 Thessalonians 5:10 - Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 - For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Colossians 1:20 - And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.

Colossians 1:19-22 - For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; (Read More...)

Colossians 1:19 - For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;

Colossians 1:14 - In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:

Ephesians 5:25 - Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Ephesians 5:2 - And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

Ephesians 2:13-18 - But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. (Read More...)

Ephesians 1:17-22 - That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: (Read More...)

Ephesians 1:7 - In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Ephesians 1:3-12 - Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ: (Read More...)

Galatians 3:13 - Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:

Galatians 1:4 - Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

Galatians 1:3 - Grace [be] to you and peace from God the Father, and [from] our Lord Jesus Christ,

1 Corinthians 15:3 - For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

1 Corinthians 5:7 - Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

1 Corinthians 2:7 - But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

1 Corinthians 1:24 - But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

1 Corinthians 1:23 - But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 1:17 - For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

Romans 5:15-21 - But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. (Read More...)

Romans 5:6-11 - For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. (Read More...)

Romans 5:1 - Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Romans 3:24-26 - Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (Read More...)

Acts 27:9 - Now when much time was spent, and when sailing was now dangerous, because the fast was now already past, Paul admonished [them],

Acts 17:3 - Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Acts 17:2 - And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

John 11:49-51 - And one of them, [named] Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, (Read More...)

John 6:51 - I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

John 1:36 - And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

John 1:29 - The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Luke 24:47 - And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Luke 24:46 - And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Luke 22:20 - Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup [is] the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Luke 2:31 - Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

Luke 2:30 - For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

Matthew 26:28 - For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Matthew 20:28 - Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Zechariah 13:1 - In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

Daniel 9:24-27 - Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. (Read More...)

Isaiah 53:5 - But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Yes god is love. La la la la lalala lala lalala
This is the Old Testament. It was administered by angels. This is before Satan was removed from his place in heaven. It is not how you think.
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16-06-2014, 10:42 PM
RE: The Old Testament and the New Covenant--help
(16-06-2014 10:28 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(16-06-2014 09:21 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Yes god is love. La la la la lalala lala lalala
This is the Old Testament. It was administered by angels. This is before Satan was removed from his place in heaven. It is not how you think.

Oh come on, yes it is. The only way to say it's not is by creating a new "interpretation of context". Couldn't god just have laid it out straight for us instead of inspiring scriptures that sound like exactly the opposite of what you're trying to make it?

God must be some kind of special weirdo.

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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16-06-2014, 10:54 PM
RE: The Old Testament and the New Covenant--help
(16-06-2014 10:42 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(16-06-2014 10:28 PM)childeye Wrote:  This is the Old Testament. It was administered by angels. This is before Satan was removed from his place in heaven. It is not how you think.

Oh come on, yes it is. The only way to say it's not is by creating a new "interpretation of context". Couldn't god just have laid it out straight for us instead of inspiring scriptures that sound like exactly the opposite of what you're trying to make it?

God must be some kind of special weirdo.
I understand why you feel that way. In the big picture however, I think you'd agree it is brilliant. Hence you would not notice that evil destroys its self.
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16-06-2014, 10:58 PM
RE: The Old Testament and the New Covenant--help
(16-06-2014 10:28 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(16-06-2014 09:21 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Yes god is love. La la la la lalala lala lalala
This is the Old Testament. It was administered by angels. This is before Satan was removed from his place in heaven. It is not how you think.

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16-06-2014, 10:59 PM
RE: The Old Testament and the New Covenant--help
(16-06-2014 10:54 PM)childeye Wrote:  I understand why you feel that way. In the big picture however, I think you'd agree it is brilliant. Hence you would not notice that evil destroys its self.

You've got to be kidding. If you look at the big picture, considering all that god is suppose to be (especially love), it is anything but brilliant. There are a few other choice adjectives I could come up with to better describe his plan...

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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16-06-2014, 11:28 PM
RE: The Old Testament and the New Covenant--help
(16-06-2014 10:59 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(16-06-2014 10:54 PM)childeye Wrote:  I understand why you feel that way. In the big picture however, I think you'd agree it is brilliant. Hence you would not notice that evil destroys its self.

You've got to be kidding. If you look at the big picture, considering all that god is suppose to be (especially love), it is anything but brilliant. There are a few other choice adjectives I could come up with to better describe his plan...

Inept, callous, capricious...

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17-06-2014, 06:24 AM
RE: The Old Testament and the New Covenant--help
(16-06-2014 10:54 PM)childeye Wrote:  I understand why you feel that way. In the big picture however, I think you'd agree it is brilliant. Hence you would not notice that evil destroys its self.

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17-06-2014, 11:04 AM
RE: The Old Testament and the New Covenant--help
Quote:No one can understand the scriptures without the Holy Spirit.

Now all you need is evidence for your fucking holy spirit, eh mate.

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17-06-2014, 12:06 PM
RE: The Old Testament and the New Covenant--help
(16-06-2014 09:21 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Yes god is love. La la la la lalala lala lalala
You're right, this is not Love. Thank you for your endorsement of Jesus Christ, I knew you had it in you.
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