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05-04-2014, 12:50 PM (This post was last modified: 05-04-2014 02:38 PM by coffeenvodka.)
The Other Pantheon or Boobs Worshipping Boobs
For most of us it has become set in stone; Open Minded yet Critically Vetted Reality Checks vs. Eyes Wide Shut Jesus Take the Wheel Rigidity - with zero doubt as to where we've chosen to place our bet. But what about the other gods that distract from reason and demand fealty? The pantheons Tradition and Wealth alone reign as powerfully now as they have since their inception. Or do they? What can be done to stem the tide of rampant ignorance and create a new Cool Zone for knowledge? Perhaps a 5-10 question session (subjects ranging from math/science to geography/current events) which count for a full 25 percent in any televised beauty pageant?

I'm at somewhat of a loss. How can we slay these other dragons and replace them with the causes of reason and scientific/technological advancement? Cosmos can't do it on it's own...
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05-04-2014, 04:24 PM
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(05-04-2014 12:50 PM)coffeenvodka Wrote:  For most of us it has become set in stone; Open Minded yet Critically Vetted Reality Checks vs. Eyes Wide Shut Jesus Take the Wheel Rigidity - with zero doubt as to where we've chosen to place our bet. But what about the other gods that distract from reason and demand fealty? The pantheons Tradition and Wealth alone reign as powerfully now as they have since their inception. Or do they? What can be done to stem the tide of rampant ignorance and create a new Cool Zone for knowledge? Perhaps a 5-10 question session (subjects ranging from math/science to geography/current events) which count for a full 25 percent in any televised beauty pageant?

I'm at somewhat of a loss. How can we slay these other dragons and replace them with the causes of reason and scientific/technological advancement? Cosmos can't do it on it's own...

Tradition is often a victim of time passing, as the relevance of it is lost in the dust of our progress the meaning fades and we forget just why mistletoe is hung at cristmass. As the world moves on and the religious are left behind, the traditions it entails will fall by the way side, discarded like shoes worn out.

The traditions of the rural forefathers are forgotten when the city grows to your doorstep, and often is bemoaned by the old guard.

The Dragon of wealth...is a different matter, for only when scarcity and unequal distribution is removed from an equation does wealth loose its luster. I'm not communist idealist for that ideology has its own fatal flaws as has been demonstrated again and again.
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05-04-2014, 07:43 PM
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So... Where's the fuckin' BOOBS! Angry

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05-04-2014, 08:20 PM
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Quote:How can we slay these other dragons and replace them with the causes of reason and scientific/technological advancement?


You can't. Some people are just so fucking stupid that an invisible sky-daddy calling all the shots is about all they can comprehend.

The best we can do is stop electing them to the US Congress.

Atheism is NOT a Religion. It's A Personal Relationship With Reality!
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05-04-2014, 08:24 PM
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A lot of it has less to do with intelligence as it does with fear.

Fear is being used to keep people in religions that many of them don't even *want* to be in... they just think they have to. Under threat of eternal torture.
There has to be a way to lead them to freedom.
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05-04-2014, 09:22 PM
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I sometimes worship boobs but I'm really an ass man...
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05-04-2014, 10:03 PM
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Actually am talking about the other enemy of education and progress for all. Not so much the 'For prophet' side of the house (everyone on this site seems to have been inoculated) as the 'For Profit'. As well as those who just like the way things are. Or the cleavage staring Frat-boy crowd... You know, Morons...
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06-04-2014, 07:55 AM
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Life is short....
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06-04-2014, 09:13 AM
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Third time's the charm... Okay, in the clearest most concise language, serious Theists and Atheists alike think in absolute 'one camp or the other' terms. There is a huge third market out there of those whom have parents who follow a religion, but they do not as they find it 'lame'. They have Atheist friends, but don't invite them to their parties, as they find them too analytic, intellectual and/or intense for your average kegger. They have not studied religious text. Nor have they read any secular publications. They consider science too specialized and complex to understand and/or become fascinated by, yet can quote you batting averages from teams that played generations ago. They wait for literature to make it to the Big Screen and consider Cyanide and Happiness deeply philosophical; beasts grazing in the field waiting for the next iPhone upgrade without one single iota of curiosity of how anything in the universe came about or operates. But beasts with potential to fill the studied Atheist ranks; potential scientists, engineers, physicists... If their imagination could be caught up, even for a moment, in further potential advancement in scientific discovery and tech invention.

The question being... How?
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06-04-2014, 11:42 AM
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(06-04-2014 09:13 AM)coffeenvodka Wrote:  Third time's the charm... Okay, in the clearest most concise language, serious Theists and Atheists alike think in absolute 'one camp or the other' terms. There is a huge third market out there of those whom have parents who follow a religion, but they do not as they find it 'lame'. They have Atheist friends, but don't invite them to their parties, as they find them too analytic, intellectual and/or intense for your average kegger. They have not studied religious text. Nor have they read any secular publications. They consider science too specialized and complex to understand and/or become fascinated by, yet can quote you batting averages from teams that played generations ago. They wait for literature to make it to the Big Screen and consider Cyanide and Happiness deeply philosophical; beasts grazing in the field waiting for the next iPhone upgrade without one single iota of curiosity of how anything in the universe came about or operates. But beasts with potential to fill the studied Atheist ranks; potential scientists, engineers, physicists... If their imagination could be caught up, even for a moment, in further potential advancement in scientific discovery and tech invention.

The question being... How?

By breaking things up into chunks that can be digested easily, and showing them that look this is just a small bit of the whole and you can get more if you want. Problem with that is they have short attention spans and quickly get distracted.

Thus the waiting to see the movie of the book, easier than reading the book, though really twilight, much as I hate that vapid piece of trash, actually got people to read it.

In my experience I have been told I am too analytic, to cold and so I try and modulate what i'm trying to get across. That is has been more effective than info dumping on them which just bewilders the crap out of them.

Information tailored to the audience its presented to is far likelier to be internalized than if its dumped on their laps and they are told to do it them selves. Hook them with something interesting that they can grasp and build from there.

As per your example of the batting averages: they have an interest in it, and the initial exposure was in a way they could easily grasp, so they went deeper and deeper and learned more.

Science is often presented as an infodump and that is what puts people off of it. Cosmos is a good example of how the information is broken into smaller bits and given over a period so the interest is maintained.

tl;dr

Present the information in a way that your target understands and can digest and you are more likely to get through to them.

The requirement of evidence to back your claim does not disappear because it hurts your feelings, reality does not care about your feefees.
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