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04-06-2014, 11:43 AM
RE: The Perfect Ideal World Created By Science
(04-06-2014 08:35 AM)Mozart Link Wrote:  My goal in life is to hate all things lesser "inferior" to me, and through this hatred feel empowered and superior from it. In this case, these concepts of life (such as life not being perfect and full of struggles) is inferior to me.
Uh huh. Well, good luck with your superior hatred and stuff. Shy

(04-06-2014 08:35 AM)Mozart Link Wrote:  Therefore, what I said shouldn't make you feel bad--instead it should make you feel hatred towards these concepts of life in a way that makes you feel more empowered and superior.
Mmm... no thanks. I have no reason to feel bad or superior. I'm fine with not giving a shit. Drinking Beverage

(04-06-2014 08:35 AM)Mozart Link Wrote:  There are two known types of attitudes in life: 1.) The attitude of accepting life's struggles and such, and 2.) Feeling negative about yourself and life's problems. But there is also a 3rd attitude that not too many people are aware of (an attitude that I created and discovered myself) which is to have hatred towards life's problems not in such a way that makes you feel less of a person and negative about yourself, but in a way that makes you feel empowered and superior. This 3rd attitude is my attitude in life (because for me, accepting life's problems is like allowing and accepting some bullshit of a person to rule my life by giving me problems. This life is like this bullshit of a person and all of life's problems are something given to me by this said person).
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04-06-2014, 12:13 PM
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(04-06-2014 11:43 AM)kim Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 08:35 AM)Mozart Link Wrote:  My goal in life is to hate all things lesser "inferior" to me, and through this hatred feel empowered and superior from it. In this case, these concepts of life (such as life not being perfect and full of struggles) is inferior to me.
Uh huh. Well, good luck with your superior hatred and stuff. Shy

(04-06-2014 08:35 AM)Mozart Link Wrote:  Therefore, what I said shouldn't make you feel bad--instead it should make you feel hatred towards these concepts of life in a way that makes you feel more empowered and superior.
Mmm... no thanks. I have no reason to feel bad or superior. I'm fine with not giving a shit. Drinking Beverage

(04-06-2014 08:35 AM)Mozart Link Wrote:  There are two known types of attitudes in life: 1.) The attitude of accepting life's struggles and such, and 2.) Feeling negative about yourself and life's problems. But there is also a 3rd attitude that not too many people are aware of (an attitude that I created and discovered myself) which is to have hatred towards life's problems not in such a way that makes you feel less of a person and negative about yourself, but in a way that makes you feel empowered and superior. This 3rd attitude is my attitude in life (because for me, accepting life's problems is like allowing and accepting some bullshit of a person to rule my life by giving me problems. This life is like this bullshit of a person and all of life's problems are something given to me by this said person).
Ok.
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04-06-2014, 12:15 PM
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Let me put it this way. If I had a choice to either be a human being or be a blob that can do absolutely nothing but experience unlimited perfect pleasure in life, I would choose to be a blob as I find that pleasure is the only thing that matters and nothing else in life has any value (except for helping others in need as that is something that has value regardless if you experience pleasure from it or not). Pleasure is the very reason we live and is a meaningful experience (science and logic may tell you that it's nothing more than a bunch of neuron activity in the brain, but the meaning that we as humans attribute to this experience of pleasure as being something "good" is obviously a true meaning that science cannot falsify in this case). Of course, there are other things besides pleasure that have value. But without pleasure, we are reduced to practically nothing as pleasure is the ultimate life force one can have (again, our human judgement of this emotion says so and is something science cannot falsify with its explanations).

Also, if I had another choice to either alter reality right now so that it is perfect with no problems or to keep it as it is, I would alter it. It is only common sense for people who have problems in their lives to want their lives to be perfect. Therefore, there are many others who feel like how I do and I would alter reality for my sake and theirs.

But as for the other people who would feel that having a perfect life would devalue everything and that struggles in life give them meaning, I would still have to alter reality for the sake of those other people as they are the ones with real problems in their lives. As for the "problems" that these other people now have which is that their lives have less value now that life is perfect, those aren't real problems at all--they are minor complaints that shouldn't even exist to begin with because as I stated just now, life's struggles and everything else in life has no value and pleasure is the only thing that matters. It's good and all for someone to find positive meaning through having struggles in life, but the fact of the matter is that life's struggles are pointless and you can find just as much positive meaning and much more through having a life of unlimited perfect pleasure.
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04-06-2014, 12:19 PM
The Perfect Ideal World Created By Science
(04-06-2014 12:15 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  Let me put it this way. If I had a choice to either be a human being or be a blob that can do absolutely nothing but experience unlimited perfect pleasure in life, I would choose to be a blob as I find that pleasure is the only thing that matters and nothing else in life has any value (except for helping others in need as that is something that has value regardless if you experience pleasure from it or not). Pleasure is the very reason we live and is a meaningful experience (science and logic may tell you that it's nothing more than a bunch of neuron activity in the brain, but the meaning that we as humans attribute to this experience of pleasure as being something "good" is obviously a true meaning that science cannot falsify in this case). Of course, there are other things besides pleasure that have value. But without pleasure, we are reduced to practically nothing as pleasure is the ultimate life force one can have (again, our human judgement of this emotion says so and is something science cannot falsify with its explanations).

Also, if I had another choice to either alter reality right now so that it is perfect with no problems or to keep it as it is, I would alter it. It is only common sense for people who have problems in their lives to want their lives to be perfect. Therefore, there are many others who feel like how I do and I would alter reality for my sake and theirs.

But as for the other people who would feel that having a perfect life would devalue everything and that struggles in life give them meaning, I would still have to alter reality for the sake of those other people as they are the ones with real problems in their lives. As for the "problems" that these other people now have which is that their lives have less value now that life is perfect, those aren't real problems at all--they are minor complaints that shouldn't even exist to begin with because as I stated just now, life's struggles and everything else in life has no value and pleasure is the only thing that matters. It's good and all for someone to find positive meaning through having struggles in life, but the fact of the matter is that life's struggles are pointless and you can find just as much positive meaning and much more through having a life of unlimited perfect pleasure.

So what you're saying is, we should have as much sex as possible with as many partners as possible to have an enjoyable meaningful life is the orgy scene in The Matrix Reloaded?

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04-06-2014, 01:11 PM (This post was last modified: 04-06-2014 01:15 PM by WhiskeyDebates.)
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(04-06-2014 12:15 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  Let me put it this way.

Shut up and listen. You don't have to put it any other way then you already have. The issue here is not that we don't understand what you are saying. The issue here is that what you are saying is fucking stupid.
It's fallacious pseudointellectual word salad and an appeal to comfortable delusions as being superior to reality. How you want reality to be is utterly irrelevant to how reality actually is.

You can word it in any nonsensical way you want but all you have said of substance in both your threads is that reality makes sad and scared so you going to wrap yourself in a safety blanket of delusions. Grow. Up. Bitch.
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04-06-2014, 01:13 PM
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(04-06-2014 12:15 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  It is only common sense for people who have problems in their lives to want their lives to be perfect.

Well, I will agree is common for people who have problems in there lives to desire their lives to be, at least better. I am not certain what "perfect" might be... this is a subjective term and would be a different experience for each and every person.

(04-06-2014 12:15 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  Therefore, there are many others who feel like how I do and I would alter reality for my sake and theirs.
So, you are saying you have problems in your life and you prefer to live in denial of those problems and by doing this it will make your life "perfect"?
This appears to be what you are trying to express here.

(04-06-2014 12:15 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  But as for the other people who would feel that having a perfect life would devalue everything and that struggles in life give them meaning, I would still have to alter reality for the sake of those other people as they are the ones with real problems in their lives.
One can only control one's own life. Of course, you can live your own life while denying that other people have problems. Probably won't do them any good.

(04-06-2014 12:15 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  As for the "problems" that these other people now have which is that their lives have less value now that life is perfect, those aren't real problems at all--they are minor complaints that shouldn't even exist to begin with because as I stated just now, life's struggles and everything else in life has no value and pleasure is the only thing that matters.

Once again, if you want to alter your perception of reality and deny that other people have problems, that is up to you.

(04-06-2014 12:15 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  It's good and all for someone to find positive meaning through having struggles in life, but the fact of the matter is that life's struggles are pointless and you can find just as much positive meaning and much more through having a life of unlimited perfect pleasure.
If one lives in denial of life's struggles, similar struggles will abound and pleasure will never even be close to what one might describe as "perfect".
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I all seriousness Mozart Link, I feel as if you might simply be currently unable to articulate your thoughts. That's ok - it's often difficult to express some things as accurately as one might prefer.

You've stated you have chronic depression and that reinforcing a fantasy of having a "perfect life of pleasure with immortality would likely mean everything" and you think there would be nothing wrong with it. Well, I think that hiding from troubles will never alleviate them. Problems will always be there if not dealt with and I can assure you, ignoring them will only make them become worse. Living in a fantasy world is a very temporary way of ignoring problems.

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04-06-2014, 01:53 PM
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(04-06-2014 01:11 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 12:15 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  Let me put it this way.

Shut up and listen. You don't have to put it any other way then you already have. The issue here is not that we don't understand what you are saying. The issue here is that what you are saying is fucking stupid.
It's fallacious pseudointellectual word salad and an appeal to comfortable delusions as being superior to reality. How you want reality to be is utterly irrelevant to how reality actually is.

You can word it in any nonsensical way you want but all you have said of substance in both your threads is that reality makes sad and scared so you going to wrap yourself in a safety blanket of delusions. Grow. Up. Bitch.
The attitude I'm trying to get across is that this is what life has given me. But I will be the one in control and dominate my own life with whatever attitude and perception I want and not what this life "wants" me to have. How is that not inspiring?
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04-06-2014, 01:58 PM
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04-06-2014, 02:19 PM
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(04-06-2014 01:53 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 01:11 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  Shut up and listen. You don't have to put it any other way then you already have. The issue here is not that we don't understand what you are saying. The issue here is that what you are saying is fucking stupid.
It's fallacious pseudointellectual word salad and an appeal to comfortable delusions as being superior to reality. How you want reality to be is utterly irrelevant to how reality actually is.

You can word it in any nonsensical way you want but all you have said of substance in both your threads is that reality makes sad and scared so you going to wrap yourself in a safety blanket of delusions. Grow. Up. Bitch.
The attitude I'm trying to get across is that this is what life has given me. But I will be the one in control and dominate my own life with whatever attitude and perception I want and not what this life "wants" me to have. How is that not inspiring?

Hating your way into a puerile, nonsensical, irrational fantasy world ≠ inspiring.

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04-06-2014, 02:24 PM
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(04-06-2014 01:11 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(04-06-2014 12:15 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  Let me put it this way.

Shut up and listen. You don't have to put it any other way then you already have. The issue here is not that we don't understand what you are saying. The issue here is that what you are saying is fucking stupid.
It's fallacious pseudointellectual word salad and an appeal to comfortable delusions as being superior to reality. How you want reality to be is utterly irrelevant to how reality actually is.

You can word it in any nonsensical way you want but all you have said of substance in both your threads is that reality makes sad and scared so you going to wrap yourself in a safety blanket of delusions. Grow. Up. Bitch.



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