The Pledge of Allegiance in School
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08-06-2014, 06:49 PM (This post was last modified: 09-06-2014 01:56 PM by Hifi.)
RE: The Pledge of Allegiance in School
My advice is to get involved (if not you, then who?)

Hold your school boards, superintendents, principals, and teachers responsible to clarify and enforce that the Pledge is OPTIONAL for every student.

The main thing is if they're going to do this in the schools, they better do it legally or face expensive lawsuits (state and school).

It took a few years, but in my school district in California, I have single-handedly managed to get:
- the right not to participate added explicitly to the District Ed Code
- the right not to participate added to the yearly agreement that parents and students must sign
- an annual notification over the PA to students clarifying that this is a free country and they have the right not to participate; and they should respect each other's choices
- the daily Pledge announcement changed from, "Please stand..." to "You are invited..."

MAKE IT HAPPEN IN YOUR SCHOOL

So, you might ask, how did that work out? Well, my kids have both just entered high school. They have never once said the Pledge of Allegiance. Am I forcing my beliefs on them? No, I am both 1) countering having beliefs forced on them and more importantly 2) not allowing them to swear an oath to an absurdity. If all the kids were pledging their loyalty to the man-in-the-moon, it is neutral parenting to just go along with it?

Sure they have, occasionally, been looked at askance, been cajoled by peers, lectured by teachers (usually a clueless substitute) and asked, "jokingly" if they are terrorists. But every time, the harasser has been censored and re-educated. Know that the worst fear of the institution is a lawsuit around this You can go to the bank with it.

Have my kids missed birthday parties and sleepovers because of it? Probably. But it's always the parents, not the kids. So, it's not you who is putting your kids in an awkward situation, it's the other parents.

Bottom-line here is that it is unfair for children to be placed in the crosshairs of the culture war. But if you don't resist, we all lose.
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12-06-2014, 01:00 PM
RE: The Pledge of Allegiance in School
(08-06-2014 07:55 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Patriotism is stupid.


Oh, and America sucks.
I'm with you on the patriotism thing but America is fucking awesome!
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12-06-2014, 01:47 PM
RE: The Pledge of Allegiance in School
(12-06-2014 01:00 PM)Drunkin Druid Wrote:  
(08-06-2014 07:55 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Patriotism is stupid.


Oh, and America sucks.
I'm with you on the patriotism thing but America is fucking awesome!

America F@#$ yeah! Big Grin

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12-06-2014, 02:12 PM
RE: The Pledge of Allegiance in School
(08-06-2014 07:55 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Patriotism is stupid.


Oh, and America sucks.

Agreed.

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12-06-2014, 02:19 PM
RE: The Pledge of Allegiance in School
On the other hand, it is what finally snapped Egor.

So there's that in its favour.

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12-06-2014, 05:44 PM
RE: The Pledge of Allegiance in School
(12-06-2014 02:19 PM)cjlr Wrote:  On the other hand, it is what finally snapped Egor.

So there's that in its favour.
Yeah, that and unpatriotic Canadians.

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12-06-2014, 06:16 PM
RE: The Pledge of Allegiance in School
(12-06-2014 05:44 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  
(12-06-2014 02:19 PM)cjlr Wrote:  On the other hand, it is what finally snapped Egor.

So there's that in its favour.
Yeah, that and unpatriotic Canadians.

Quiet, you. I pledge my blood sacrifices to Her Reptiloid Majesty every Canada day, just like all good citizens.

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12-06-2014, 07:49 PM
Re: RE: The Pledge of Allegiance in School
(12-06-2014 06:16 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(12-06-2014 05:44 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  Yeah, that and unpatriotic Canadians.

Quiet, you. I pledge my blood sacrifices to Her Reptiloid Majesty every Canada day, just like all good citizens.

But do you stand on guard? What does standing on guard even mean, and has anyone ever had to?

I've just assumed or refers to the mountee

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12-06-2014, 08:15 PM
RE: The Pledge of Allegiance in School
(12-06-2014 07:49 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(12-06-2014 06:16 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Quiet, you. I pledge my blood sacrifices to Her Reptiloid Majesty every Canada day, just like all good citizens.

But do you stand on guard? What does standing on guard even mean, and has anyone ever had to?

I've just assumed or refers to the mountee

Uh, you've never heard of guarding or defending one's country before?

All the cool athems mention it...

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12-06-2014, 11:00 PM
RE: The Pledge of Allegiance in School
(12-06-2014 08:15 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(12-06-2014 07:49 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  But do you stand on guard? What does standing on guard even mean, and has anyone ever had to?

I've just assumed or refers to the mountee

Uh, you've never heard of guarding or defending one's country before?

All the cool athems mention it...

My issue is the concepts phrasing and how little Canada has had to. Since a good couple decades before that anthem was written they've never had to defend any military attack on their nationhood.

I think all those people saying they stand on guard is a bit misleading Drinking Beverage

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