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13-06-2014, 01:51 AM
RE: The Pledge of Allegiance in School
Yeah, I'm glad that children aren't forced anymore to recite the pledge, but it is definitely government endorsing of religion when they go over the intercom and say that whole 'one nation, under god' bullshit. A solution to this would be to not waste the time of people who don't want to say the pledge and make it something that you instead have to opt-in to in order to say it. So that people who don't want to mindlessly recite the pledge don't have to stand with everyone else saying it when they could be doing something better.
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13-06-2014, 04:23 AM
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The 'under god' part has always been annoying, but the idea of having children pledge allegiance (that they don't understand nor grasp the weight of) in the first place is far more disturbing in the wider picture. I'd just as soon ditch the whole damn thing. You should be proud of your country because it has given you reasons to be proud of it, not because of rote memorization and repetition; the act itself reeks of religious childhood indoctrination.

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13-06-2014, 05:55 AM
RE: The Pledge of Allegiance in School
A little "under God" Flag history:

In 1892 Francis Bellamy's "Pledge of Allegiance" was first published: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all." On this day, Columbus Day, a national effort was made to have public school children all over America recite it in school.

Bellamy did not put God is his "Pledge of Allegiance."

On June 14, 1923, a flag code was introduced and the Flag was declared a "living symbol of a living nation."

On February 17, 1948, the Sons of the American Revolution included "under God" in Bellamy's "Pledge" to recite at their meetings. In 1951, the Knight's of Columbus adopted the change, "under God," as used by the Sons of the American Revolution. Within a few short years, 1954, "under God" was amended and became law, and has been controversial ever since.

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13-06-2014, 08:22 AM
RE: The Pledge of Allegiance in School
(12-06-2014 11:00 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(12-06-2014 08:15 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Uh, you've never heard of guarding or defending one's country before?

All the cool athems mention it...

My issue is the concepts phrasing and how little Canada has had to. Since a good couple decades before that anthem was written they've never had to defend any military attack on their nationhood.

I think all those people saying they stand on guard is a bit misleading Drinking Beverage

I'm still not clear on why "we shall defend our country" is an odd thing to say in a national anthem.

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13-06-2014, 10:49 AM
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I wonder if the Iraqi soldiers who threw down their guns and ran like rabbits took a "pledge" of allegiance?

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14-06-2014, 12:31 PM
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(13-06-2014 05:55 AM)Dee Wrote:  A little "under God" Flag history:

In 1892 Francis Bellamy's "Pledge of Allegiance" was first published: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all." On this day, Columbus Day, a national effort was made to have public school children all over America recite it in school.

Bellamy did not put God is his "Pledge of Allegiance."

On June 14, 1923, a flag code was introduced and the Flag was declared a "living symbol of a living nation."

On February 17, 1948, the Sons of the American Revolution included "under God" in Bellamy's "Pledge" to recite at their meetings. In 1951, the Knight's of Columbus adopted the change, "under God," as used by the Sons of the American Revolution. Within a few short years, 1954, "under God" was amended and became law, and has been controversial ever since.

Yeah, not many people bother to read up on the history of incidents involving the government shoving god into things. Too many people believe that 'in god we trust' and 'under god' have always been there. They're too narcissistic to look at it from a point of view other than their own. They just love having the idea in their heads that the government favors them instead of people who aren't gullible enough to believe in fairy tales. I'm sure they have no idea why god was added to the currency and pledge in the first place, it was the Red Scare. No, not red as in republican (although their stupidity sometimes scares me), when the United States was so scared of Soviet Communism that they were willing to go to wars and kill innocent civilians and thousands of US troops to stop the spread of. That time when the worst insult you could call someone was a communist. I ask people I know who lived during this time what the difference between communism and socialism is and I always get the same answer: "they're both the same and evil". I'm so glad the internet exists so that I have a way of obtaining real information. If it weren't for this, I'd probably be a conservative religious nut like a lot of people around me in Louisiana.
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14-06-2014, 12:59 PM
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(12-06-2014 01:00 PM)Drunkin Druid Wrote:  
(08-06-2014 07:55 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Patriotism is stupid.


Oh, and America sucks.
I'm with you on the patriotism thing but America is fucking awesome!

America is awesome when it comes to a few states, like Washington, Oregon, California, Colorado, and pretty much all of New England. But places like the Deep South are just laughing stocks to the world. The most conservative places in the country have the highest rate of teen pregnancy¹.

I certainly love the idea of a secular democracy, but this country has failed that promise and other parts of the world like Europe (pretty much just Europe) have progressed much further in terms of treating their citizens well and being fair to all. Countries like Sweden with actual social safety nets for people who lose their jobs and need support while they find another are among the happiest.
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14-06-2014, 01:21 PM
RE: The Pledge of Allegiance in School
(13-06-2014 05:55 AM)Dee Wrote:  A little "under God" Flag history:

In 1892 Francis Bellamy's "Pledge of Allegiance" was first published: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all." On this day, Columbus Day, a national effort was made to have public school children all over America recite it in school.

Bellamy did not put God is his "Pledge of Allegiance."

On June 14, 1923, a flag code was introduced and the Flag was declared a "living symbol of a living nation."

On February 17, 1948, the Sons of the American Revolution included "under God" in Bellamy's "Pledge" to recite at their meetings. In 1951, the Knight's of Columbus adopted the change, "under God," as used by the Sons of the American Revolution. Within a few short years, 1954, "under God" was amended and became law, and has been controversial ever since.





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14-06-2014, 08:52 PM
RE: The Pledge of Allegiance in School
I remember in my freshman year of highschool, me and someone else never really wanted to say the Pledge, and we got called out by a teacher for it. the only way out was to have our parents tell everyone at the school that for religious reasons, we didn't want to say it.

Now I just don't say it at all, and most juniors / seniors don't either, and most of them are religious. By that point, we're rather tired of the brainwashing at 8 AM every day.

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15-06-2014, 01:15 PM
RE: The Pledge of Allegiance in School
(14-06-2014 12:59 PM)TokyoRoyalty Wrote:  
(12-06-2014 01:00 PM)Drunkin Druid Wrote:  I'm with you on the patriotism thing but America is fucking awesome!

America is awesome when it comes to a few states, like Washington, Oregon, California, Colorado, and pretty much all of New England. But places like the Deep South are just laughing stocks to the world. The most conservative places in the country have the highest rate of teen pregnancy¹.

I certainly love the idea of a secular democracy, but this country has failed that promise and other parts of the world like Europe (pretty much just Europe) have progressed much further in terms of treating their citizens well and being fair to all. Countries like Sweden with actual social safety nets for people who lose their jobs and need support while they find another are among the happiest.

You have not mentioned Hawaii. Las Vegas. New Orleans. Yellowstone. NASA. Funnel cakes. Disney. Cheep beer. The vast natural beauty of the whole nation. Sure they got too many backward people and there may be too much violence but it also has wonders to inspire and joys one should always embrace.
I won't go as far as to say that America is the greatest nation in the world but I sure as hell have a great time when I visit.
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