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11-12-2015, 03:42 PM
RE: The Problem of Good
Symbolism: Jesus(God) says: you are My hands
or you are the tools in My hands

Jesus said to Peter: feed My sheep. Feed My sheep. Feed My sheep.
When Peter was feeding Jesus's sheep it was the same as if Jesus did it. It was Jesus's will. Peter and Jesus are one. One team. One Family.

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11-12-2015, 03:45 PM
RE: The Problem of Good
When teams wins people say to coach: good job, coach!
people also say: good job, team!
Coach and the team are one

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11-12-2015, 05:40 PM
RE: The Problem of Good
(11-12-2015 08:08 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  [quote='Banjo' pid='911492' dateline='1449556110']
I'm running into this in the same thread I started at AF. Someone claimed that when we do bad, that's our choice, but when we do good, that's God acting. I have yet to get a compelling answer as to why this doesn't make God 100% responsible for every time we don't do good.

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11-12-2015, 07:31 PM
RE: The Problem of Good
(11-12-2015 03:07 PM)Alla Wrote:  I will tell you why I may say that when I do good it is God acting.
When I do good I do God's will. His will for me to do good. I am doing His work. I am doing part of His plan.
When I do evil I am not doing what God wants me to do but I do what I want.

Yeah, but that's not what the guy was saying. He was saying that when we do good, God is acting. Until I get a better clarification from him, it sounds like it completely obviates the free will defense of the problem of evil. Suddenly, any good we don't do is God's fault.

I honestly wasn't expecting that strong of a counter to what I'd said. I'm sure he means something else, but he hasn't yet responded to my request for clarification.
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11-12-2015, 09:06 PM
RE: The Problem of Good
(11-12-2015 03:42 PM)Alla Wrote:  Symbolism: Jesus(God) says: you are My hands
or you are the tools in My hands

Jesus said to Peter: feed My sheep. Feed My sheep. Feed My sheep.
When Peter was feeding Jesus's sheep it was the same as if Jesus did it. It was Jesus's will. Peter and Jesus are one. One team. One Family.

Not at all.

Peter is a sheep. He is a high-level sheep with extra responsibilities, but he is a sheep. It is by no means true that the sheep and shepherd are one team, as the purpose of the shepherd is to use the sheep for clothes and food. If the sheep did not provide commodities useful to the shepherd, the shepherd would be using his energies elsewhere. Most certainly they are not one family. The sheep family gets a bit easier time with food and shelter before being made into wool and mutton and lamb chops. The shepherd's family wears sweaters and eats sheep.
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12-12-2015, 11:13 AM
RE: The Problem of Good
(11-12-2015 09:06 PM)julep Wrote:  
(11-12-2015 03:42 PM)Alla Wrote:  Symbolism: Jesus(God) says: you are My hands
or you are the tools in My hands

Jesus said to Peter: feed My sheep. Feed My sheep. Feed My sheep.
When Peter was feeding Jesus's sheep it was the same as if Jesus did it. It was Jesus's will. Peter and Jesus are one. One team. One Family.

Not at all.

Peter is a sheep. He is a high-level sheep with extra responsibilities, but he is a sheep. It is by no means true that the sheep and shepherd are one team, as the purpose of the shepherd is to use the sheep for clothes and food. If the sheep did not provide commodities useful to the shepherd, the shepherd would be using his energies elsewhere. Most certainly they are not one family. The sheep family gets a bit easier time with food and shelter before being made into wool and mutton and lamb chops. The shepherd's family wears sweaters and eats sheep.
If Peter was a sheep literally then he couldn't be a shepherd at the time
But because we are all sheep symbolically we can be shepherds literally.

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12-12-2015, 11:57 AM
RE: The Problem of Good
(12-12-2015 11:13 AM)Alla Wrote:  
(11-12-2015 09:06 PM)julep Wrote:  Not at all.

Peter is a sheep. He is a high-level sheep with extra responsibilities, but he is a sheep. It is by no means true that the sheep and shepherd are one team, as the purpose of the shepherd is to use the sheep for clothes and food. If the sheep did not provide commodities useful to the shepherd, the shepherd would be using his energies elsewhere. Most certainly they are not one family. The sheep family gets a bit easier time with food and shelter before being made into wool and mutton and lamb chops. The shepherd's family wears sweaters and eats sheep.
If Peter was a sheep literally then he couldn't be a shepherd at the time
But because we are all sheep symbolically we can be shepherds literally.

I'm not symbolically anything, as I have no need for totems.

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12-12-2015, 12:03 PM
RE: The Problem of Good
(12-12-2015 11:57 AM)Old Man Marsh Wrote:  
(12-12-2015 11:13 AM)Alla Wrote:  If Peter was a sheep literally then he couldn't be a shepherd at the time
But because we are all sheep symbolically we can be shepherds literally.

I'm not symbolically anything, as I have no need for totems.
Sure. Thumbsup
And I was talking about God's chosen people. we are His sheep. Symbolically.

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12-12-2015, 12:11 PM
RE: The Problem of Good
(11-12-2015 03:45 PM)Alla Wrote:  When teams wins people say to coach: good job, coach!
people also say: good job, team!
Coach and the team are one

Also the whole crowd shouts "We won" at a baseball game or football game or any such though the crowd wasn't playing, just the team.
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12-12-2015, 12:13 PM
RE: The Problem of Good
(12-12-2015 12:03 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(12-12-2015 11:57 AM)Old Man Marsh Wrote:  I'm not symbolically anything, as I have no need for totems.
Sure. Thumbsup
And I was talking about God's chosen people. we are His sheep. Symbolically.

To baaaaad for you poor sheeple!
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